Room Tag behavior when moving Rooms

[oskyparkin]

In Revit, when moving a room, the normal behavior is for Revit to display the following warning indicating the correspondent Room Tags in all the views where the relocated room is tagged are outside of the room:

The warning gives you the option of clicking OK, which makes all the room tags (in all the views where the room is tagged) move to the center of the room in question.

You have the option of clicking Cancel and all the tags will remain outside of the room and become orphaned (displaying no room information). You will need to select the tags and activate the leader for the tag to display the room information.

We recently noticed that in the most recent update of Revit 2023 the behavior has changed:

When moving a room, the Room Tag will remain outside of the room, and automatically a leader will be activated. To move the room tag back to the room, you need to select the room tag and deactivate the leader. You need to do this on every view where the room is tagged.

We contacted Autodesk, and the response we received from an Autodesk expert was: “I believe this is a new addition to Revit 2023 and was extracted from the Revit Ideas forum for implementation”.

I would like to confirm this change was in response to a request from the Revit Ideas Forum.

As part of the workflow when planning and revising layouts in Revit and as a consequence the rooms are moving around the floor plans, we have always asked Revit users to choose the “Move to Room” option to make sure all Room Tags are moved to the room location through all the Floor and Ceiling plans views in the Revit Model.

We work in large projects with thousands of rooms and hundreds of views where major planning revisions take place every day.

I would like to hear your opinion and if you have any suggestions or comments. I may be missing something here, but I see this will create additional work for cleaning annotation through all views in a project. I wish there was an option to control how you would like the room tag to behave. Thank you.

[kimberly_fuhrman-jones · Accepted solution]

@oskyparkin , this was implemented in response to this Revit Idea.

Help | Automatically Enabled Tag Leader | Autodesk

I will forward your feedback to our teams.

Thank you!

Kimberly

[jay.polding]

Although it's appreciated when Revit Ideas are implemented, this one needs further testing and refinement, as you can see from the detailed explanation. There is a post in the original Revit Idea thread which further explains the issue:  https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/room-tags-amp-leaders/idi-p/8024905 

[oskyparkin · Accepted solution]

Today I received a solution from Autodesk, the Automatic leader can be controlled in the Revit.ini file. Here are the steps to resolve the issue:

1. With Revit closed, go to the Revit.ini file located at 
• C:\Users\%username%\AppData\Roaming\Autodesk\Revit\Autodesk Revit 2023 and finding the Revit.ini file. 
2. Open this file in a Text editor,
3. Find the Misc section and add the line "DisableRoomAreaSpaceAutomaticLeader = 1" 
4. Save the file. 
5. "Move to Room" option should now be available.

I have tried the solution and it works, thank you to Rahul Patil from Autodesk Customer Technical Success.

[Xtremerc38]

This solution worked great for me!  I have been searching for this solution for several months.  My issue was very similar except this error manifested itself for me when mirroring a project.  I only design production homes and I have been able to mirror my plans perfectly with no errors up until that feature came on line (I didn't know it was a planned feature).  It was driving me crazy trying to figure out why all my room tags were moving, leaders turning on automatically and stretching across the plan and not displaying the room name anymore.  Anyway, I'm happy to be back to no errors when mirroring.  Thanks for posting the solution.

[Javier_Oropeza_TESSERE]

I am glad to see a "solution," but this really should be some sort of toggle inside of revit, I can see some users struggling with those instructions. At first I was happy with the new leader room feature, when all my rooms were placed, but when I discovered that the room tag error no longer popped up, I was perplexed. They need to fix this somehow

[jbrr27]

@oskyparkinThank you, that worked for me!  

@kimberly_fuhrman-jones This was a small issue with little support, and the change is far worse than the original problem.  What @oskyparkin shared is as much of a solution as there is right now, and that should be marked as the solution in this thread.  It would be nice for Autodesk admit they botched this and provide a permanent fix, instead of just explaining that it was an idea they chose to implement (and giving an eventual workaround that many users probably won't feel comfortable implementing, although the workaround is certainly better than nothing for those of us who are).  

@jay.polding It seems like Autodesk rarely implements ideas, even good ones that have broad and long-standing support among users.  The fact that they chose to act on this one is extremely disappointing, both because it was a minor inconvenience at best, on top of the extremely poor execution.  

[go27WUL]

Totally agree @jbrr27. the lack of update & support is unbelievable. there are certainly better ideas that are badly needed. it certainly isn't this one. @kimberly.fuhrman 

[SteveKStafford]

The ability to turn on a leader when dragging a room tag outside the boundary is something I asked for years ago. I was pleased to see that it was implemented. However if rooms are relocated that should not be regarded as equal to dragging a tag. They need to see if they can limit the concept to a drag action for a room tag, not a room being moved away from the tag or a room deleted and placed again elsewhere. Unfortunately, until then it's probably best to disable the feature via the INI.

[kimberly_fuhrman-jones]

Following up...this is currently an active bug issue with our teams: Revit-202991. In the meantime, as @oskyparkin pointed out, there is a way to revert to the original behavior by modifying the Revit.ini file:

https://help.autodesk.com/view/RVT/2023/ENU/?guid=GUID-B01A6B07-4FF2-4115-8B61-1274FAF9CC91

Stay tuned and thank you for your patience as we work to resolve this.

[alissa.doljanin]

unfortunately every view that has that room with a tag associated with it, moves and creates the leader, and all views then have to be revisited to remove the leader.  I would suggest if there is a way to select to turn this feature off, would be more advantages to all or nothing.  I end up having to select all tags in the project to remove the leaders, to be more efficient in clean up.  Especially in the early stages of a project when rooms are frequently moving.

Not a fan of this update.

[david.burow]

This behavior can also be reverted by selecting room tag(s) and toggling the leader off and on a couple times. The room tag will then move to the origin point of the room. 

[oskyparkin]

The issue is that leaders are created throughout the whole model, in every single view the rooms are tagged, you may have created some tags with leaders you need to keep because the rooms are too small and the tag does not fit.
By using your solution you will remove all the leaders in the model, this solution may work for small projects with few plan views where you can manually go and make revisions locally but not on those with thousands of rooms, levels, and hundreds of plan views.

[david.burow]

Agreed, this behavior doesn't work for all workflows and the tool does need to be reworked. I just wanted to note that there is a workaround for some cases if the user doesn't want to remove the feature through the ini.

[hei_sa]

Finally, I have always wanted to ruin dozens of views and sheets in one go by shuffling some rooms, and then manually have to disable the option not to do so by manually having to edit the protected .ini file of my software. Thank you!

[oskyparkin]

You also need to fix it for Revit 2024.

[RTempleV4GAA]

Wouldn't it have been simple to add an "Add Leader" button to the warning dialog, next to "Move to Room", rather than making it automatic? Nice fumble, there, Autodesk.
I rank this with making all the default text Trebuchet. I spent days purging that BS from our new template and every tag and label.