New Feature_Reset shared coordinates bug

[Anonymous]

having trouble resetting shared coordiates.  I have two rvt. files, in pic 1, as you can see, the internal origin isn't aligned with project point, so I tried to reset it and reset shared coordiates too.  In pic 3 and 4, all is at 0,0,0, so it means my two files are supposed to share the same coordiantes system if I use survey point to survey point to link.

Revit gave me a warnning that the two file don't share the same coordinates and it will use centre to center, yet I reset the coordiates for both file, they are both at 0,0,0 ( I've also tried resetting both files and giving them 5,5,0 as survey point ).

So what exactly does Reset shared coordinates do?  For my understanding, if I reset two different projects, and reassign the coordinates, these two files should match...... Thanks.

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[syman2000]

Reset coordinate won't do much. Typically I would link new blank Revit file. This could be new project. Then you would acquire the coordinate from the new file. Remove the link file and you have a coordinate reset back to factory reset. I've created a blank file for reset coordinate. You can download it from here.

https://www.revitcity.com/downloads.php?action=view&object_id=20507

[barthbradley]

Why don't you just Link the Project Internal Origin to Internal Origin -- and then Share Coordinates to record the Positioning between the two?  If the Link doesn't land in the right position using Internal Origins, then reposition the Link manually in the Parent and Publish or Acquire Coordinates.    

[barthbradley]

@syman2000 : I didn't know about this new 2022 feature "Reset Shared Coordinates" until I happened upon this thread.  What's  the point of it?  Is it just a bell and whistle that Autodesk threw in to justify  the annual price increase?  Seriously; is this really something that was needed?  I don't get it.  Am I missing something? 

P.S. Seems a little dangerous too. Like one of those buttons you put tape over and label "DO NOT TOUCH!"  😉

[syman2000]

Yea nothing make sense. I did hit the reset button and trying to re-acquired the coordinate from updated Civil. It still gave me errors saying you already have existing coordinate and can't acquire them. It gets frustrated until I stumble a work around to reset it and reacquire from new project file. I works for me and I thought maybe that what the user wants.

[ToanDN]

Well, it works correctly here.  Reset Shared Coordinates does eliminate Shared Coordinates (the link Shared Site is shown as <Not Shared>), and the host Survey Point is relocate to where it originally was.

[Anonymous]

Yeah I know this trick, but since Autodesk offers this new feature...Why not just reset them and redefine the coordinates, just two clicks...Reset and Specifiy. I think it's a BUG

[Anonymous]

Thanks for you reply.   Yes, as my pic 1-4 showed, they indeed reset,  both projects have 0,0,0 as shared coordinates (or 5,5,0), but When i linked them survey to survey, Revit gave me a message that says they do not have the same share coodinates system. 

Both projects got reset, and specified the survey coodinates manually. 

[Anonymous]

This button is supposed to reset the coordinates if you have a coodinates problem. You click and the Specify again. at least this is what I found in Revit Help. 

I know the trick you're referring to, but if this button works, it's just two clicks to correct the coordinates, why go through all that trouble?

[barthbradley]

Yah, I can see what is does.  It moves the SP back to the IO and eliminates Shared Coordinates (e.g. removes linked coordinate relationships with the host).  The reason Revit is throwing this message:  

is because you are Linking via "Shared Coordinates" after eliminating Shared Coordinates via Reset Shared Coordinates.  There is no "Shared Coordinates". So, let the Link land center-to-center in the Host and then reposition it manually -- and record and save the new position back to the Link Project.  

Note: if you simply move the Host's Survey Point (in clipped state) to the Project Base Point/Internal Origin - and not Reset Shared Coordinates - the coordinate relationships between the Shared Links and the Host's Survey Point will be maintained.  In other words, the Links will move along with the Survey Point.  

...FWIW, let me add this: in your first post, it looks like you are showing screen captures of your Project Base Point Coordinates. PBP Coordinates have nothing to do with Shared Coordinates.  Shared Coordinates are established between Link-Host Survey Point Origins.  

[ToanDN]

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@Anonymous wrote:

Thanks for you reply.   Yes, as my pic 1-4 showed, they indeed reset,  both projects have 0,0,0 as shared coordinates (or 5,5,0), but When i linked them survey to survey, Revit gave me a message that says they do not have the same share coodinates system. 

Both projects got reset, and specified the survey coodinates manually. 

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I think you meant Link by Shared Coordinates.  Revit gave you the message because there is no longer a shared coordinates system in your link file.  You have already reset/eliminate it.  I can give you that the wording of the message is rather misleading.

[ToanDN]

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@barthbradley wrote:

Yah, I can see what is does.  

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So it works as intended?

[barthbradley]

It does indeed, @ToanDN.  Still don't understand the practical applications of it.  I see a problem waiting to happen though.  I can see a newbie accidently pressing "Reset Shared Coordinates" inside a Master Site Plan and blowing out the Shared Coordinates of umpteen Links in one fell swoop.  It doesn't discriminate and it doesn't prompt the user with a "You sure you want to do that?" message.  It just does it.  I'm putting a piece of tape over it and labeling it "DO NOT TOUCH!".   My suggestion to Autodesk would be to build in a confirmation prompt.  

...now that I write this, I'm starting to wonder if maybe it isn't working correctly on my end.  Can you confirm what I stated about it?  

Thanks. 

[ToanDN]

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@barthbradley wrote:

It does indeed, @ToanDN.  Still don't understand the practical applications of it.  I see a problem waiting to happen though.  I can see a newbie accidently pressing "Reset Shared Coordinates" inside a Master Site Plan and blowing out the Shared Coordinates of umpteen Links in one fell swoop.  It doesn't discriminate and it doesn't prompt the user with a "You sure you want to do that?" message.  It just does it.  I'm putting a piece of tape over it and labeling it "DO NOT TOUCH!".   My suggestion to Autodesk would be to build in a confirmation prompt.  

...now that I write this, I'm starting to wonder if maybe it isn't working correctly on my end.  Can you confirm what I stated about it?  

Thanks. 

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What you stated about how it works are correct. 

Maybe it's just me but if an user plays around with something labeled [Reset] and expects it doesn't do what it was designed to do then he deserves it to happen.  Like if I pressed the Reset button on my computer and  being upset about it restarted.

[barthbradley]

C'mon @ToanDN. Notice the close proximity of Acquire and Publish Coordinates to the Reset Shared Coordinates. You can't imagine a mistake happening???  

I'll bet you $10 right now that it comes up in a future thread. Some pissed-off member complaining that his staff keeps accidently pressing "Reset" instead of "Publish", and demanding Autodesk make changes. 

Thanks for the confirmation, buddy.  

[ToanDN]

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@barthbradley wrote:

I'll bet you $10 right now that it comes up in a future thread. Some pissed-off member complaining that his staff keeps accidently pressing "Reset" instead of "Publish", and demanding Autodesk make changes. 

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I am keeping this for such future threads.

[Anonymous]

Yes, like I said, I'm aware that after resetting,there's no shared coodinates, as I stated before, I also tried specifying the coordinates. same result. 

If you like the old way, then go back to Revit 2010, or don't use Dynamo, APIs, never explore new things then. 

I know how to publish, acquire coodinates, and my new approche is <Reset shared coordinates>, then <Specify coordiantes by point>.  I did some tests, this approche didn't work, that's why I'm posting this, asking if it's a bug or some unknown problem of my revit template, because my template was created 6 years ago.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for correcting, yes I know I reset shared coordinates so there's no shared coodinates, that's why I also tried specifying coordiantes (5,5,0) after the reset, didn't work. 

The reason I'm posting this because I want to try something new since Revit has this feature. I'm all about starting a conversation. If this is a bug, I want to report it, that's all.