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Modifying Room Tags Part II

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Modifying Room Tags Part II

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Is there a reason why I cannot seem to add instance parameters to the Room Tag
to allow for a varying box width? Or am I just missing something stupidly
obvious?

Matt
matt@stachoni.com
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Modifying Room Tags Part II

Is there a reason why I cannot seem to add instance parameters to the Room Tag
to allow for a varying box width? Or am I just missing something stupidly
obvious?

Matt
matt@stachoni.com
‰PNG Edited by: Discussion_Admin on Mar 4, 2010 4:31 PM
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Anonymous
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Okay, let's try again.

Matt
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Okay, let's try again.

Matt
matt@stachoni.com
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Anonymous
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On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:43:47 -0800, vector2 <> wrote:

*sigh*

Okay, is there anyone around who would
like to give this one a go?

Matt
matt@stachoni.com Edited by: Discussion_Admin on Mar 5, 2010 11:11 AM
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On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:43:47 -0800, vector2 <> wrote:

*sigh*

Okay, is there anyone around who would
like to give this one a go?

Matt
matt@stachoni.com Edited by: Discussion_Admin on Mar 5, 2010 11:11 AM
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Anonymous
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I don't think it's possible, Matt. I've tried myself to no avail. Why, I
don't know.

What I've done instead in the past is create two types within the same
family using a visibility parameter.

One type has a wide label visible, the other has a narrow label visible.

Not as flexible as I would like, but it's the best I can come up with.

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"Matt Stachoni" wrote in message
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Is there a reason why I cannot seem to add instance parameters to the Room
Tag
to allow for a varying box width? Or am I just missing something stupidly
obvious?

Matt
matt@stachoni.com
‰PNG Edited by: Discussion_Admin on Mar 5, 2010 10:09 AM
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I don't think it's possible, Matt. I've tried myself to no avail. Why, I
don't know.

What I've done instead in the past is create two types within the same
family using a visibility parameter.

One type has a wide label visible, the other has a narrow label visible.

Not as flexible as I would like, but it's the best I can come up with.

--

"Matt Stachoni" wrote in message
news:6349000@discussion.autodesk.com...
Is there a reason why I cannot seem to add instance parameters to the Room
Tag
to allow for a varying box width? Or am I just missing something stupidly
obvious?

Matt
matt@stachoni.com
‰PNG Edited by: Discussion_Admin on Mar 5, 2010 10:09 AM
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Alfredo_Medina
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Dear Matt,

I did give it a go to your problem, but I got the same results you got. No clue. So, since I didn't have an answer, I didn't post anything.
But since you are working on room tags, let me ask you this question, is there a way to get the ceiling height of a room automatically displayed in its room tag? I have been trying to solve that, too.

Alfredo Medina
info@planta1.com

Alfredo Medina _________________________________________________________________ ______
Licensed Architect (Florida) | Freelance Instructor | Profile on Linkedin
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Dear Matt,

I did give it a go to your problem, but I got the same results you got. No clue. So, since I didn't have an answer, I didn't post anything.
But since you are working on room tags, let me ask you this question, is there a way to get the ceiling height of a room automatically displayed in its room tag? I have been trying to solve that, too.

Alfredo Medina
info@planta1.com

Alfredo Medina _________________________________________________________________ ______
Licensed Architect (Florida) | Freelance Instructor | Profile on Linkedin
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Anonymous
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 05:14:49 -0800, Matt Stachoni <...> wrote:

>Okay, is there anyone around who would
>like to give this one a go?

Matt,

I tried it and got the same results as you. I grabbed the other Revit
guru in my office and asked his opinion. Neither of us could find a
way to do what you are trying to do. Although we agree it would be
nice to do. We noticed that the instance parameters that Revit
displays for a room tag do not appear in the Family Types dialog when
editing the family. We are assuming that for room tags, Autodesk only
allows those hardcoded instance parameters to appear and no others.
Probably the only way to do what you are asking is for Autodesk to
enhance the program. But if you do find a work-around, please post
it.

Regards,
Ken

Novell....it does a server good! Edited by: Discussion_Admin on Mar 5, 2010 11:12 AM
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 05:14:49 -0800, Matt Stachoni <...> wrote:

>Okay, is there anyone around who would
>like to give this one a go?

Matt,

I tried it and got the same results as you. I grabbed the other Revit
guru in my office and asked his opinion. Neither of us could find a
way to do what you are trying to do. Although we agree it would be
nice to do. We noticed that the instance parameters that Revit
displays for a room tag do not appear in the Family Types dialog when
editing the family. We are assuming that for room tags, Autodesk only
allows those hardcoded instance parameters to appear and no others.
Probably the only way to do what you are asking is for Autodesk to
enhance the program. But if you do find a work-around, please post
it.

Regards,
Ken

Novell....it does a server good! Edited by: Discussion_Admin on Mar 5, 2010 11:12 AM
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Anonymous
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Thanks, all, for your replies. If for no other reason than to confirm I'm not
crazy and/or missing something stupidly obvious. The "multiple types" option is
the best workaround, which is really unfortunate, right up there with the
infamous elevation tags.

I know some really good people at Autodesk read this discussion group, so to you
I say this:

Foro the love of everything good in this world, fix the flat out awful
annotative capabilities in Revit. Please. I'm begging ya.

From lame dimensioning features, to almost nonexistent text formatting, to
horrible text and leader alignnment/positioning to leaders and callouts that do
not force landings to be horizontal, to inflexible elevation tag families, to
this simple dopey room tag issue, you guys are killing us.

Whenever I give a Revit class I have to preface my discussion of annotation
features with a 10 minute mea culpa, and I'm tired of doing that.

Architects who are banking their firms on BIM - and taking the initial financial
hit for doing so - shouldn't have to suffer the consequences of having to craft
less than excellent looking documentation. The level of annotative quality in
Revit produces drawings that a high school drafting class teacher would spit in
my face for producing.

Matt
matt@stachoni.com


On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 07:10:31 -0800, Matt Dillon
wrote:

>I don't think it's possible, Matt. I've tried myself to no avail. Why, I
>don't know.
>
>What I've done instead in the past is create two types within the same
>family using a visibility parameter.
>
>One type has a wide label visible, the other has a narrow label visible.
>
>Not as flexible as I would like, but it's the best I can come up with.

Thanks, all, for your replies. If for no other reason than to confirm I'm not
crazy and/or missing something stupidly obvious. The "multiple types" option is
the best workaround, which is really unfortunate, right up there with the
infamous elevation tags.

I know some really good people at Autodesk read this discussion group, so to you
I say this:

Foro the love of everything good in this world, fix the flat out awful
annotative capabilities in Revit. Please. I'm begging ya.

From lame dimensioning features, to almost nonexistent text formatting, to
horrible text and leader alignnment/positioning to leaders and callouts that do
not force landings to be horizontal, to inflexible elevation tag families, to
this simple dopey room tag issue, you guys are killing us.

Whenever I give a Revit class I have to preface my discussion of annotation
features with a 10 minute mea culpa, and I'm tired of doing that.

Architects who are banking their firms on BIM - and taking the initial financial
hit for doing so - shouldn't have to suffer the consequences of having to craft
less than excellent looking documentation. The level of annotative quality in
Revit produces drawings that a high school drafting class teacher would spit in
my face for producing.

Matt
matt@stachoni.com


On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 07:10:31 -0800, Matt Dillon
wrote:

>I don't think it's possible, Matt. I've tried myself to no avail. Why, I
>don't know.
>
>What I've done instead in the past is create two types within the same
>family using a visibility parameter.
>
>One type has a wide label visible, the other has a narrow label visible.
>
>Not as flexible as I would like, but it's the best I can come up with.
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Anonymous
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"Matt Stachoni" <...> wrote in message
news:6350036@discussion.autodesk.com...
> Foro the love of everything good in this world, fix the flat out awful
> annotative capabilities in Revit. Please. I'm begging ya.

^5

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"Matt Stachoni" <...> wrote in message
news:6350036@discussion.autodesk.com...
> Foro the love of everything good in this world, fix the flat out awful
> annotative capabilities in Revit. Please. I'm begging ya.

^5

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Anonymous
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You can add Type parameters, but not Instance.... go figure.....

I am not sure why you would use a visibility parameter, unless you wanted to change the line weight.Even then, set up a subcategory and change line type with Object styles.

In the family editor, make sure dimensions are visible using 'VG'. Do the usual 'eq' dimensions off the central reference plane. Add an overall dimension, call it something wild like 'Box Width' and Voila!! Make sure it it type, not instance.

You can change the box width in the tags properties in the project file. So you can set up as many different widths as needed.

It would be kinda cool to be able to have lovely blue shape handles attached, but sadly no.....
Peace Edited by: Timproof on Mar 18, 2010 12:38 AM
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You can add Type parameters, but not Instance.... go figure.....

I am not sure why you would use a visibility parameter, unless you wanted to change the line weight.Even then, set up a subcategory and change line type with Object styles.

In the family editor, make sure dimensions are visible using 'VG'. Do the usual 'eq' dimensions off the central reference plane. Add an overall dimension, call it something wild like 'Box Width' and Voila!! Make sure it it type, not instance.

You can change the box width in the tags properties in the project file. So you can set up as many different widths as needed.

It would be kinda cool to be able to have lovely blue shape handles attached, but sadly no.....
Peace Edited by: Timproof on Mar 18, 2010 12:38 AM

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