Modelling walls

[stin421b]

Hi, i am currently modleling a wall in Revit for the fisrt time. I am trying to create an accurate model for the wall attached below with furing and framing. I have looked online for how others have tried to do something similar, in their examples they often just use one layers in the wall to rpresent the framing and furring, and set those layers to air or wood.

Is it possible to add these details(furring and framing) in the model itself or should it be done later when exporting drawings?

So far what i have been doing is to create several wall, some basic and some storefront, and drawing them next to eachother, is there a smarter way of doing this?

Thank you for your help, it is my first time using Revit so I am new to the process.

Best regards, 

Stinus Jorgensen

[imankassab2015]

The question is the level of details LOD you want your wall be created
Because you can create all from scratch by layers hierarchy and also use Modify to unlock certain layer to move it up little bit or using mask region from Annotate tab as just a detail for krydsfinder stolpe ... so got my point of view 2 ways depend on level of details

Accept my answer if it helps you

[Alfredo_Medina · Accepted solution]

For exterior walls, you can do this in two ways:

1) One wall type that contains all layers and materials.

2) Individual wall types, one for the structural material, another one for exterior finishes, and another one for interior furring and finish layers.

Both methods have pros and cons, and either one could be appropriate depending on what point in time a project is in the design process: schematic design, design development, construction documents, renderings, etc. 

Elements that occcupy the same space in a wall section, such as when there is insulation in between wood or metal studs, need to be grouped in the same layer, which you can call "metal stud + batt insulation", to tell it apart from "metal stud". In that case it would be incorrect to add one layer for insulation and another one for studs.

Exterior claddings such as siding, panels, planks, can be modeled in two ways: 1) as part of the exterior wall, as mentioned above, simplified as if they were a monolitic layer with uniform thickness, or 2) as independent repetitive elements, using families or using the curtain wall tool. This option can be very time consuming and should be done only when high level of detail or rendering quality is needed.

Grouping framing and furring in the same layer, as you mentioned, sounds unusual to me, because those two elements are not occupying the same space in the wall section. If you cut a section to a wall like that, you will see one layer of material when in reality there are two.

I hope this helps.

[stin421b]

Thank you!

What i meant was how to make layers for both, as both will not homogenous, i am sorry if this did not come across clearly.

Your reply was very helpful and helped me understand how to do what i wanted.

[Alfredo_Medina]

Inthe wall type's structure > edit button, you can create layers for each part, and assign a function, a material, and a thickness to each layer. 

See this for more information: https://help.autodesk.com/view/RVT/2023/ENU/?guid=GUID-7657DF90-6AE2-4543-BFDA-7735A8424B1C

[barthbradley · Accepted solution]

I wouldn't get caught up in that minutia just yet. You can always come back to it.  Keep it simple in the beginning.  Stick to the basics.  Create the Wall Assembly based on the layers with correct overall thicknesses. For example, if you have layer representing 2x4 vertical studs at 16" O.C. with batt insulation in-between, it's a 3 1/2" thick layer.   Period. 

Now, if you want to represent the exterior horizonal laps, then use a Model Surface Pattern in the Material assigned to the exterior face. 

[barthbradley · Accepted solution]

Well, I missed 2 layers...