Imported Schedule Brings In Unwanted Font

[Darin_HDR]

Working in Revit 2020.0.1.2

I'm building a template and want to import a schedule from another project. In doing so, the schedule brings in an unwanted font style that I cannot purge out. The font in the schedule was originally Font A (listed in the schedule in the Appearance tab under Title text, Header text and Body text). I copy/pasted the font I wanted to use (Font B) from my template into the project file and changed Font A to Font B in all three categories in the Appearance tab. Save the project file (I even closed it and reopened it just to make sure the changes took) but when I import the schedule from the project file to the template file, it still brings in Font A. I even tried importing the schedule into a completely new file made from the generic Revit Architectural Template and it brings in both Font A and Font B (even though only Font B is listed under the Appearance tab (both in both project files (original and new) and template file). 

So the question is, where is Font A embedded in the schedule other than the fonts listed in the Appearance tab that would make it come into a new project or template? Again, I can't purge out Font A once it is brought in. Even after selecting all Font As in the project (not that I can select any more than I create new) and change them all to Font B.

Thanks for any advice.

[ToanDN]

The Title and Headers may be overridden with fonts different from teh Template.

[barthbradley]

Sounds like the font is coming an override font.  

[Darin_HDR]

I thought those things too but I didn't see that the over ride allowed you to assign a font style (named font. i.e. Font A or Project Text) only a font type (i.e. Arial). The problem font comes in as a font style. Let me know if I'm wrong here.

[barthbradley]

Select the text and then press Font.  What font is listed?  

[Darin_HDR]

I lists Arial.

Again, I don't see that I could change it to or from Font A or Font B from within the over ride button. Area you able to select a font style (not font type) from within the over ride settings?

[ToanDN]

Same text style from different files can use different fonts.

[barthbradley]

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@Darin_HDR wrote:

I lists Arial.

Again, I don't see that I could change it to or from Font A or Font B from within the over ride button. Area you able to select a font style (not font type) from within the over ride settings?

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Sorry for the confusion. I misunderstood you. So, you are talking about a Text Type Name that you are unable to change/delete; not a Font.  I'm curious to know if Text Type Name "Schedule Default" shows up in drop-down in the original Schedule/Project.  My thought is that the "Schedule Default" Text Type in that Project might have been renamed "Font A".   That might explain.  

[Darin_HDR]

There is not a text in any of the files (project file or new template) labeled Schedule Default. I know I purged it out of the new template and pretty sure it was purged out of the old template that the project file was made from. It is unlikely that the font style Schedule Default was changed to Font A. It is much more likely that Schedule Default was purged long before Font A was created. Font A might have been made from another of the built in text styles and renamed but I doubt it was Schedule Default (though I can't be 100% sure of that).

Regardless, since I can purge Schedule Default out of a project, why can't I purge out Font A. Again, where is this font hiding that would prevent me from purging it out of the project?

I have attached a file created from Revit's Architectural Template, untouched other than:

- I have imported only the schedule in question (ABBREVIATION LEGEND).

- You will see that the schedule only has one font style in it (TEXT - O, which is the one I want to keep)

- When I imported the schedule it also brought in the problem, unwanted font (00-TEXT - O)

- I can purge out other fonts (including Schedule Default), why can't I purge out 00-TEXT - O)?

I have attached the file that you can look at and try to solve if you wish.

Thanks for all the time you have spent looking into this.

[ToanDN]

I bet 00-TEXT - 0 was originally 3/32" Arial. It cannot be purged.

[Darin_HDR]

I guess I get that 3/32" Arial (or whatever it eventually gets renamed to) cannot be purged out of original file. But it's not in the schedule. Are you saying any time you bring a schedule in from another project it will always bring in 3/32" Arial or whatever it has been changed into? If I bring in 5 different schedules from 5 different projects that have all named 3/32" Arial to something different, I will end up with 5 different fonts in my project I can't purge out? That doesn't' seem right.

[ToanDN]

How did you import the schedule? I tested with two methods: Insert from File and Clipboard Copy paste and both did not bring in the 00-TEXT - 0.

Attached is the file to prove.

[Darin_HDR]

I am Inserting from File. However if I import from the file I previously uploaded (Unpurgable Font.rvt) I get the same result as you where the unwanted font does not follow the schedule. However, if you go to the file Unpurgable Font.rvt where I originally imported the schedule, I can't get rid of the font 00-Text - O even though it is not the original default Arial 3/32.

Here is my guess as to what is going on.

- Original file: Arial 3/32 = 00-Text - O

- New file (Unpurgable Font.rvt): Imported schedule brings in original file's default text, 00-Text - O even though it is not in the schedule. It cannot be purged out because Revit thinks it is a default text, even though it already has another default text.

- Second new file (we'll call it Project1): Imported schedule does not bring in 00-Text - O because it no longer thinks it's the default project text.

Here is the problem though. When you brought in the new schedule to Project1, you also brought in the default font style Arial 3/32 correct? In the new project you are bringing the schedule into, can you ever get it so that you only have one default font style called TEXT - O? If I name both default texts in Unpurgable Font and Project1 to TEXT - O it brings in a new font Arial 3/32 that I cannot purge out. 

Do you see the same thing? Bottom line, I want only one default text in my new project I am importing the schedule to and I need it to be the default text that is native to the receiving file (and it can't be Arial 3/32).

[barthbradley]

Try saving the Schedule out of the Project via Save to New File. Then open the "New File" and Purge and Delete the extraneous "stuff".   Insert this one into your other Project(s).   

...you should be able to delete all Text Types, except for the ones being used.  

[Darin_HDR]

For whatever reason, "Save to New File" is grayed out. 

[barthbradley]

Go to another view -  any view - and then select the Schedule Name in the Project Browser, right-click, and select "Save to New File". 

[Darin_HDR]

It does not appear to be an option regardless of which view I am in.

[barthbradley]

Yep. It doesn't work for Key Schedules.  Have you tried Copy/Pasting to New Project,  cleaning it up and then inserting that "cleaned-up" Key Schedule into another Project via "Insert from File"?  

Out of curiosity, what is a "Abbreviations Legend" Key Schedule? I've never built a Abbreviations Legend using a Key Schedule.  I can't imagine how that would work.   

[Darin_HDR]

I don't think it is actually a Key Schedule (or as Revit calls them, Schedule Keys (schedule)). It's just a schedule that shows the abbreviated text (in one column) next to the full meaning of the abbreviation (in another column) for those not familiar abbreviated text we may use throughout the documents. 

[Anonymous]

@Darin_HDR  I accept this as Solution. Thank You !