How to remove miter join in foundations?

How to remove miter join in foundations?

salmanjavaid2000
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How to remove miter join in foundations?

salmanjavaid2000
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I have joined two foundations and they form a miter join. When I want to put Free form rebar in it, it gives an error and asks to check the constraints. Is there a way to change the join type?

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barthbradley
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What about modeling those as concrete Beams? 

 

...you could even model them as Structural Walls for that matter.  

 

...edit: changing Concrete Beam Family's Model Behavior to Steel will allow you to use the Beam/Column Join Tool to Miter them together in the Project.  

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ToanDN
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Are they Wall Foundations?  Can they be created as one foundation with multiple wall segments?

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salmanjavaid2000
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I don't want to convert these into walls or beams, just to keep their quantities separate (that's the reason). 

Yes, these are wall foundations.

Is there any other way of making rebar (Free Form) in such a case without changing the family?

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RDAOU
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@salmanjavaid2000 

 

The issue you are having is not related to the join type... see GIF below, using free form rebar

 

Aligned

Rebar Wall Foundations.gif

 

Or by Surface

Rebar Wall Foundations 1.gif

 

 

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salmanjavaid2000
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Ok. I thought the error was due to miter. I am attaching the file. You can have a look

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ToanDN
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The footing should clean up nicely without any joint line.  Not sure how you got those joints in the first place.  I simply deleted and recreated some of them, see if you can place rebars now.

 

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barthbradley
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Is this what you are trying to solve for?

 

Rebar19.png

 

Just to be clear: I'm referring to the Rebar condition (or non-condition) at return. 

 

....you're referring to this message in your original post; right?

 

Rebar19-1.png

 

 

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RDAOU
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@salmanjavaid2000 

 

 

The error is related to the reinforcement settings not the foundations although they could use some clean up (join geometry and join order)

 

The primary issues causing the error are the following: 

 

  1. Bending Diameters and constraints (You have set Bar #4 to be bent 3" dia...with the Path Start and End constraints set to 0", Revit will not be able to bend the bars) - Solution:
    • Select rebar >> Edit Constraints >> Give the Bar Handle: Path Start/End a negative 4" offset
    • Edit Bar type and reduce bend diameter if possible (for a Bar #4 you should be able to work with 2")
  2. Wrong Cover Settings. You are using Bar #4 BUT you have set the cover for Bar#6 to 18 - Solution:
    • Select the foundation >> Set the proper Cover settings 
    • GO to Reinforcement Settings and adjust cover if needed

See GIF below

 

Part 1

Fix rebar - Part 1.gif

 

Part 2

Fix rebar - Part 2.gif

 

 

 

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barthbradley
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Here's my suggestion: Select the Single Bar and Edit Constraints and inset the Path <-1' 0">  at both ends.  Press Finish and change Layout to Multiple. Bada bing. No other changes necessary.     

 

Rebar19-2.png

 

Too easy?  

 

 

 

 

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salmanjavaid2000
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Thankyou very much @barthbradley and @RDAOU. I am glad you got right on the point. I was a bit confused in the start that the issue might be due to the joins at end. Once again thanks a lot