How to hide joined element lines in elevations all at once? and make the walls homogenous?

[Caed9]

Hi, Revit community,

Could you please give me some advice on how to set up the elevations? I'm kind of stuck.

This is a house made up of concrete masonry walls, precast concrete beams, and precast concrete columns. 

I joined all the columns with the walls and tweaked the visibility graphics so that I can have a flushed wall in the architecture plan view and the columns visible in the construction plans. 

However, When I open the elevations I get lost on what I have to do in order to have the walls flushed. All the beams and columns join lines are visible in the elevations I tried to set up the visibility graphics but could not find the option to hide the columns and beam lines.
I want to apply some materials in some elements on the elevation, and 3d but with all those joins it seems very intimidating to be honest as I cannot continue with the project 😞

Is there a Revit way on how to fix it? or what are the settings to take into consideration?

there should be an option to hide all the inner joined lines at once. 

[grsEU6KR · Accepted solution]

Hi @Caed9 

Remember Revit is simply showing you what is modelled. The column is flush to the face of the wall - and by the looks of it is a different material - so it will show as a line.

You have two options:
1. Alter the modelling to avoid extraneous linework.

2. Painstakingly change the linework view by view or hopefully via a 'View Template'

Options to avoid the additional linework
1. Make sure materials are the same across joined objects (including walls / columns / beams).

2. Model structural columns slightly thinner than the wall depth so the wall is continuous (e.g. 149mm column centred on 150mm wall)

Ways to deal with the linework now it is there - not recommended:
1. Lineweight tool (LW shortcut) allows you to override line styles by clicking on them. You can choose <invisible> lines and select the lines you don't want to see.

2. Turn off column 'Projection Lines'

Good Luck.

[Caed9]

Revit must have a tool to fix it, I guess I will have to add a 1mm layer for the painting, or wall plastering! 

I was also thinking of going line by line but I really don't know if that will apply the changes per view or I have to do it manually for each view

Many thanks, grsEU6KR I appreciate your Advice.

[grsEU6KR]

Yes, it is a good idea to model the 'lining' of a wall as continuous to clean up elevations - rather than always including the lining as a layer in the wall.

This can be frustrating if it is not a true representation of the built product. E.g. modelling a lining when there is not one.

Keep at it.

[martijn_pater]

Are you familiar with 'Course scale fill pattern / Course scale fill color' in the wall properties? It controls the wall/floor etc. course scale graphic view representation. So if you have those the same for your wall types it will become homogenous if you set the view's detail level to course. If you want to set it for wall's only for instance, do it in Visibility Graphics for the view (Detail level override), standard these are set to 'By view' so change that to 'Course' for walls i.e.

For columns: https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles...

[Caed9]

I set the wall and the structural column in coarse. It worked excelent on the architecture plan view and the columns dissapeared and the walls ended up clean in most of the Joins. But in 3d it does not hide those lines.

[Caed9]

Never mind I had to use lineworks, because revit will only hide those lines if the layer of the wall is 1cm thick or more, I tried Less than that and the layer was transparent and the lines were see-through even if the columns where hidden. 1cm is really starting to look thick.

[martijn_pater · Accepted solution]

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@Caed9 wrote:

But in 3d it does not hide those lines.

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Doesn't it...? I assume you're talking about a 3d section? Otherwise you could paint the sides (surfaces). Also so you realize your original post does not mention 3d, just floorplan/elevation. Perhaps you could elaborate on what you're trying to show there.

edit: ow I think I see what you're after perhaps, try switch join order (under modify join dropdown). I'm assuming the wall overlaps with the floor/column. Combined with my previous answer that should get you there I think... ?

[Caed9]

I tried switch order however when doing so, the column looses the information and shortens, but I noticed If I keep clicking both with the switch order tool it suddenly gives a different outcome, It does not work on all of the joins but on most of them. I Guess I will do lineworks on the ones that were not hidden.

Many Thanks. 

[semi]

You do realise that a wall consists of multiple layers:

an inner wall and an outer, whilst the inner wall is the structural bearing wall and the outer wall is the finish

A column only gets to completely fill the inner wall. This way your outer wall can have the material applied you need so you can create an entire smooth surface.