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You need to actually add the foundation for the walls, and lower the bottom view range to expose them in the plan view.
Thank you, I actually did it that way too. But I was trying to create a kind of Stacked Wall with Foundation. Is it possible? How would I do it if the default Foundation in the Basic Wall is not being displayed as a T in reverse.
Thanks,
Isabel
It is possible to have stacked walls with foundation built-in. Personally I would not recommend it. A few reasons below:
- They have limited use. You cannot use them for anything directly above the foundation.
- Door and window frames normally adjust the depth to match the thickness of the wall. Now the frames would be as thick as the foundation below, not the wall. You would have to create special door/window families to place in these walls.
- There would be more difficulty joining walls at tight conditions because they are much thicker with the irregular profile top to bottom.
- In reality, foundation may not follow the wall exactly, they may have different width or thickness to accommodate different loads and conditions. They may extend less here and more there depends on the site constraints. Embed foundation in a wall gives you less flexibility on this front.
There are much more but I think those will do.
Okay. Thank you very much
Hey both 🙂 @ToanDN @Anonymous
I have to disagree with you on this one @ToanDN stacked walls are awsome elements....I am not saying or better say the following opinion is not meant to say or imply that the whole building has to be modeled with stacked walls 🙂 it's more like a orchestra with a Chello, violins, base, counter base and all and the user is the Meistro or a Composer. A good Meistro/Composer makes good music and a bad One makes bad music. It's a coherent whole.
I definitely encourage people to use them whenever they could and wherever the should. However, one has to understand stacked wall first, not treat it as a element but more as a strategic alliance of elements and most important is understanding how they work which is the key to efficiently using them or any other element in Revit as a matter of fact. But as it is said "there are multiple ways to skin a cat" so there is no right or wrong whichever method or wall type one uses as long as one knows the pros and cons of each and all. Many situations I've been in, I have found that what some people thought was troublesome was the best solution for their project/case.
In my opinion one of a Stacked wall major benefits is that it allows us to "construct" walls in their vertical entirety and that is a very powerful option if and when used in the right designated locations on the project (namely building envelop) vs the limitation of (horizontal) buildups offered by a basic wall.
The are lots (like really lots) of benefits in stacked walls; for instance is the fact that a repeating pattern on the wall such as brick, or some other non "sand" pattern would all align perfectly together in a stacked wall while with 2 or 3 separate walls (manually stacked vertically by level or horizontally to patch a facade gap), pattern would not align properly unless you do it manually and/or unless join (joining elements is a very buggy if not the buggiest during design and development of changing structures).
As you have mentioned joining stacked wall not behaving properly, again one needs to keep in mind that a basic wall (multiple layers stacked horizontally) is a horizontal entity while a stacked wall (multiple basic walls stacked vertically) is a vertical entity. The only blend properly when the user understand how the function. It's more like saying "I crossed a Dackel with a Rottweiler but the puppies didn't turn out Schäferhund !"
If you also consider doors / windows cutting vertically through two different wall types, when you use 2 or 3 separate walls (manually stacked horizontally or vertically) you need to join them (which isn't always convenient during design) however with stacked walls the cut would go automatic through both walls and you wouldn't need to mess with any profile adjustments or join geometries to cut the second wall. You mentioned that one needs special Windows and doors; one doesn't! What one needs is to perceive/understand the vertical entirety of the wall (in the sense of whole facade) and not just look at it as a single Lego/Brick element. When we look at building envelop we treat it as an entity and not patch work.
Another advantage with inserts is if or when one needs to move windows or doors to different positions it wouldn't be a walk in the park when using multiple/different walls on different levels to build up a facade. In stacked wall one doesn't have that issue.
Of course their are cons, tagging, placement line etc... but that is the case applicable to any tools, system family or element in any platform and when one is still in the process of learning (I believe we all are) it is a must that one play around with stacked wall and really abuse them so that one learns how to properly use them.
sorry for the long post...
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@ToanDN I'm not getting you wrong and I'm Not saying you have a wrong approach! I am only disagreeing with your point of view.
which points I disagree with? Basically all the points you listed and I explained above why. What you pointed out as cons (Joining, Inserts, Usage) are actually advantages/pros when one puts the stacked wall into proper use or at least understands how to handle it. I could have imagined someone mentioning that tagging is limited in stacked walls and placement line is messy when editing types and changing a sub component are cons but not what you mentioned. I personally use those to my advantage.
As for the foundation topic...you say variations! That is not up to one person to decide, it goes per project case and further to consultation and coordination with the structural engineers.
I said there multiple ways to skin the cat? And those element are more like musical instruments which a composer put into a coherent symphony. One cant take a particular case and generalize it as a con! You said they have limited use also basic walls have limited use...all elements have a limited use. They need to serve the purpose they are meant to serve. Exploiting the usage of one element or method over the other (in REVIT) is something I have seen a lot over the years and it's always under the flag "someone said or recomended" or "those are said to be with lots of cons"
This case is a particular case, where someone is obviously learning REVIT (judging from the attached REVIT file that is). He or she didn't yet start, and someone came up with all the cons (cons which other see as pros)...what would that person think now! They recomended not to use stacked walls? Put yourself in his or her shoes, what would you conclude from a single reply which stated Stacked walls has cons!
i don't know! I was only sharing my point of view, some might take it subjectively and others maybe objectively. I only meant to say
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Its st more like sharing a different perspective and not aimed at/to contradicting one another... So I hope you didn't/don't get me wrongF
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I would keep that in mind, for sure. Thank you for explaining yourself. That's a very good way to make a statement about the process of learning things in general and how to integrate and come up with options and different methods or solutions.
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