Folding wall - off-center allignment

Folding wall - off-center allignment

Intuos5
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Folding wall - off-center allignment

Intuos5
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I am trying to create a folding wall as a folding door. It consists of two hinges and sliding mechanism around three points as illustrated by the sketch:
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However, the moment I try to constrain the second (right hand) reference line to the hinge point, revit refuses and tells me the sketch is overconstrained; the line cannot even be alligned by starting point to two reference planes! What is it that Revit has an issue with? Also, since it's a wall, it needs to be able to close shut , hence the angle location in the file. 

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Message 21 of 38

barthbradley
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@Intuos5 wrote:

do you perhaps know how I can constrain my door family to the reference line? I've placed on top of the reference line workplane and locked it to this line and a perpendicular one (like @barthbradley  mentioned). Both allignments prompt the message that constraints are not satisfied when I change the angle, tested it with two families.


Did you check "Work-Plane Based" in the Door Family like I instructed?  If so, did you HOST the Door to the Ref. Line WORKPLANE in the Parent Family  -- not just "place on top" of RL?  Look under the Door Properties in the Parent and verify that the Host Parameter says "Reference Line".  

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barthbradley
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You know, @Intuos5; I still don't know what you are building. I have no idea how you are going to use @FAIR59's co-called "elegant solution" once you host 3D Door Panels to the Ref. Lines.   Seems to me like door thickness has not been factored in.  Nor, a hinge point offset, which you will need for the unit to open and close properly.  Love to see the finished product when you are done.       

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FAIR59
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Message 24 of 38

Intuos5
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@FAIR59Yep, that's it! I don't get why it's this way at least I'm happy to get it working  by adding another angular dimension. Thank you for all the help on this! If it's not too much to ask, is there any logical reasoning behind why this works the way it does?

 


@barthbradley wrote:

You know, @Intuos5; I still don't know what you are building. I have no idea how you are going to use @FAIR59's co-called "elegant solution" once you host 3D Door Panels to the Ref. Lines.   Seems to me like door thickness has not been factored in.  Nor, a hinge point offset, which you will need for the unit to open and close properly.  Love to see the finished product when you are done.       


I cannot send you the entire file for the building, but I could do so for the foldable door file. Shall I send it in a private message when the basics are in place?

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Message 25 of 38

Intuos5
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@barthbradleyI almost forgot to send you the door family. Here is a proof of concept in which I added a formula to FAIR59's family to constrain the width and therefore the door's thickness. 😉

Excuse me for the messy file, because at first I planned to nest it on file deeper into a door family, but I decided not to later on.

 

Thanks again for all the help!

 

 

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Message 26 of 38

barthbradley
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Thanks. Looks like you are almost finished.  I still don't understand all the gymnastics though.  Also, that is not the door shown in your photograph.  You've added a "notch" to the end, which will significantly increase the recessed track width which will cut away useable interior floor space.   My suggestion is to remove that chamfered notch entirely.  It really serves no purpose, and is an impediment.  

 

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Message 27 of 38

barthbradley
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Actually @Intuos5, you could keep that chamfered notch, by making it part of the whole panel -- not an extension or protrusion.  Maybe that's what you meant to do. I can see that. That would work.  

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Message 28 of 38

barthbradley
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Hey @Intuos5: I think I understand why all the Ref. Line. Gymnastics!  Maybe you weren't aware that you could orient the Panels to either side of the Ref. Line?  This is done by clicking on the Flip Work Plane icon shown in this screenshot:  

 

 

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BTW: I hate to tell you, but your family broke on me.  Panel got disjoined and separated from one another. Maybe you are already working on this.  Just thought I'd mention it, in case you were unaware. 

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ToanDN
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Here is a family from scratch.  Seems to work at any angle.  

There is a total of 3 ref lines and 1 additional ref plane added to the OOTB family.  All necessary parameters are listed in the screenshot.

 

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Message 30 of 38

barthbradley
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LMAO! If you "get it", I must be the dumbest f*ck on the planet, because I still don't!  

 

 

 

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Message 31 of 38

ToanDN
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You don't get what? I thought everyone got it, the only issue is how to build it correctly and as simple as possible.
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Message 32 of 38

ToanDN
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Okay I traced back to this screenshot of yours and I think your hinge is at the blue dot and OP wanted it at the red dot.

Granted i didn't opened any of the models associated with this topic so pardon me if they are different from the screenshot.

 

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Message 33 of 38

Intuos5
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@ToanDNHow did you place/ constrain the door panel family to the start/end point of the reference line? Because I can't see any constraints and that technique may very well help me reduce some reference planes/ lines in the family.

 

Also I was wondering, to complicate things further, is it possible to "align" a point of one of the leaves to a horizontal reference plane for the sliding mechanism?

 

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Part of my assignment is to remodel the existing design, so I'll have to somehow get it right step by step.

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barthbradley
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You got to be kidding me?! That's a solution credit too?! Twisting the Face-Based Door Panel on its Family's Host?!!!  Let's call this one the "Penrose Door Hinge Solution #2".  

 

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...maybe you can put your bi-fold door at the top of your Penrose Stairs?   

 

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Message 35 of 38

ToanDN
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@Intuos5 wrote:

@ToanDNHow did you place/ constrain the door panel family to the start/end point of the reference line? Because I can't see any constraints and that technique may very well help me reduce some reference planes/ lines in the family.

After place the face based panel on a plane of the ref line, I aligned the end ref plane of the panel to the end point of the ref line.

 

 

Also I was wondering, to complicate things further, is it possible to "align" a point of one of the leaves to a horizontal reference plane for the sliding mechanism?

Build your second panel so that the hinge and the sliding point define the diagonal plane that you will host the the ref line in the door family.

 

 

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Part of my assignment is to remodel the existing design, so I'll have to somehow get it right step by step.


 

Message 36 of 38

ToanDN
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@barthbradley wrote:

You got to be kidding me?! That's a solution credit too?! Twisting the Face-Based Door Panel on its Family's Host?!!!  Let's call this one the "Penrose Door Hinge Solution #2".  

 

Wierd1.png

 

 

 

 

...maybe you can put your bi-fold door at the top of your Penrose Stairs?   

 

Penrose Stairs.png

 

 

 

 


Looks salty.

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Message 37 of 38

barthbradley
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@ToanDN wrote:


Looks salty.


 

 

Absolutely.  I was going to mention another place the OP could put his bi-fold, but I'm trying to reduce my "salt".  It's raises blood pressure.  😉  

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Message 38 of 38

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I think who ever bumps into this post will be like "For Heaven's Sake! Why did we migrate to Revit" 😂

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