Floor Openings Cut Issue

[Ian_H]

We are having an issue where there is clearly a floor opening cut in our slab, but when we go to edit the boundary of slab to modify the floor opening cut shape it does not appear. 

Any tips or advice? 

Thanks

[barthbradley]

Sounds like you have an Opening, such as a Shaft.  A Shaft won't affect the Sketch Boundary of the Floor. 

TAB-Select on the edge of the Opening.

[ToanDN]

Tab over the edge of the opening until you see the Cut Opening indicated in the tooltips, select it and edit sketch.  Or use window selection to grab a bunch and filter out everything except the Opening Cut.

[Ian_H]

@barthbradley 

I am not the one in our firm who modeled the slab, but there are both floor opening and shaft opening cuts in the project. See screenshot

@ToanDN 

We have tried both of those options. I have even copied the slab into a new project and the floor openings that appear do not copy over. 

They are there but they are not there. I have tried looking at our workset options, design, options, and phasing but no luck. 

[barthbradley]

I'm not clear on what you are trying to do.  Do you want to remove the Opening? Change the Opening? If it's a Shaft, it's got a Height as well, so do you want to lower the Shaft so it doesn't penetrate the Floor?  

[Ian_H]

@barthbradley 

We are wanting to modify the shape of the floor opening cut in the slab, but when we go to edit the boundaries of the slab the floor opening cuts do not appear.  

[barthbradley]

So, the issue is that you see it, but can't select it. Is that about the size of it?  If so, sounds like the Category/Element is Hidden in the View.  Reveal Hidden Elements help?   

Just to be clear: you need to select and Edit Boundary of the Opening itself.  Not the Floor.

[Ian_H]

@barthbradley 

That is the long and short of it. 

When I reveal hidden elements, select all, and filter it still only shows there being 1 floor opening cut and that is for the elevator. The floor opening cuts we need to modify are for the stairs. 

[ToanDN]

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@Ian_H wrote:

@barthbradley 

I am not the one in our firm who modeled the slab, but there are both floor opening and shaft opening cuts in the project. See screenshot

@ToanDN 

We have tried both of those options. I have even copied the slab into a new project and the floor openings that appear do not copy over. 

They are there but they are not there. I have tried looking at our workset options, design, options, and phasing but no luck. 

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Try the two methods in a 3D view then.

[barthbradley]

That screenshot just shows what was selected. Not what was NOT selected. So maybe the Opening is non-selectable. Do you have any selection restrictions active? 

[Ian_H]

@ToanDN 

Trying them in 3d did not work either

@barthbradley 

I did have (2) options unselected, but it came up with the same filter results

The guy in our office who modeled it remembers modeling them and there are other floors above these that the floor opening cuts doo appear. The floors we are having issues with are 2nd and 3rd, 4th and up seem to be functioning as they should. We have tried comparing the properties of each and can't find any differences.

[barthbradley]

Any way you can post the file here for us to examine? Just the relevant portion of it?  

[Ian_H]

@barthbradley 

How would I do that?
It looks like you can create a group and then click 'link' and it creates a new revit file. When I select everything to create a group though the floor opening cuts are not in the group. It is similar to when I copy and paste the floor slab into a new project. The floor opening cuts do not copy over. 

[barthbradley]

If you can group, then right-click the Group Name in the Project Browser and press Save Group.  

[ToanDN]

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@Ian_H wrote:

@ToanDN 

Trying them in 3d did not work either

@barthbradley 

I did have (2) options unselected, but it came up with the same filter results

The guy in our office who modeled it remembers modeling them and there are other floors above these that the floor opening cuts doo appear. The floors we are having issues with are 2nd and 3rd, 4th and up seem to be functioning as they should. We have tried comparing the properties of each and can't find any differences.

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It doesn't look like you window select a bunch of things, just the floor.  See the screenshot below for what I mean.

[barthbradley]

Shaft is a category.  

...and a "bad mother f*cker" too. he, he. 

[Ian_H]

Attached are the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th levels.

In the main model I selected all the floors, floor opening cuts, shaft opening cuts, etc when I made the group. The openings on the 3rd level didn't copy over, but there are still some funky things going on with the 4th level which hopefully will provide some insight on what is happening. On the 4th level when you hover over the shaft opening it is not the same shape as the opening in the slab, so there must be something else making the opening but nothing else is selectable. 

[Ian_H]

@ToanDN 

Everything in the filter menu in my screenshot was selected, I just uchecked  everything but the floors since that is what I was referencing. You can see behind the filter menu that the entire 3d model is highlighted blue because it is selected.

[barthbradley]

No issues selecting them here. 

[Ian_H]

You can see though that the opening cuts that are in the main model did not copy over to the newly saved model. There isn't a way to select them, hence the original issue of not being able to modify them.