Revit Architecture Forum
Welcome to Autodesk’s Revit Architecture Forums. Share your knowledge, ask questions, and explore popular Revit Architecture topics.
cancel
Showing results for 
Show  only  | Search instead for 
Did you mean: 

Family types with different models

15 REPLIES 15
Reply
Message 1 of 16
tmccar
683 Views, 15 Replies

Family types with different models

tmccar
Advisor
Advisor

Is it possible to have a family where its various types are different models (so for instance a chair family would have different seat and back colours), or are you confined to working with one model and  its properties?

    I'm asking because I have a 3D chair which was modelled in Autocad and I can change the colour of the seat and back because they are seperate 3d solids, but in Revit it comes in as one model.

0 Likes

Family types with different models

Is it possible to have a family where its various types are different models (so for instance a chair family would have different seat and back colours), or are you confined to working with one model and  its properties?

    I'm asking because I have a 3D chair which was modelled in Autocad and I can change the colour of the seat and back because they are seperate 3d solids, but in Revit it comes in as one model.

Tags (2)
Labels (1)
15 REPLIES 15
Message 2 of 16
Edwin.Rense
in reply to: tmccar

Edwin.Rense
Advocate
Advocate

You might if both seat an back are different subcategories, than you can use filters in the view.

If the colors have to differ in one view i would use nested families for the seat and back with shared parameters for the color so you can change them from the model per instance.

Maybe if you upload the chair family someone can take a look at it.

 

If my post answers your question, please click the "Accept as Solution" button. This helps everyone find answers more quickly!

Kind regards,

Edwin Rense
Cadac Group AEC BV
Supporting Consultant AEC
Cadac Group .
0 Likes

You might if both seat an back are different subcategories, than you can use filters in the view.

If the colors have to differ in one view i would use nested families for the seat and back with shared parameters for the color so you can change them from the model per instance.

Maybe if you upload the chair family someone can take a look at it.

 

If my post answers your question, please click the "Accept as Solution" button. This helps everyone find answers more quickly!

Kind regards,

Edwin Rense
Cadac Group AEC BV
Supporting Consultant AEC
Cadac Group .
Message 3 of 16
tmccar
in reply to: Edwin.Rense

tmccar
Advisor
Advisor

Thanks, I have uploaded the file now.

0 Likes

Thanks, I have uploaded the file now.

Message 4 of 16
mhiserZFHXS
in reply to: tmccar

mhiserZFHXS
Advisor
Advisor

You can either use visibility settings or use <family type> parameters to do this.

 

And don't use CAD files to make families. Invest the time, do it right, and make it Revit.

0 Likes

You can either use visibility settings or use <family type> parameters to do this.

 

And don't use CAD files to make families. Invest the time, do it right, and make it Revit.

Message 6 of 16
Edwin.Rense
in reply to: tmccar

Edwin.Rense
Advocate
Advocate

Like @mhiserZFHXS stated, do not use DWG as 'Imported Categories' it makes things more complex.

 

Create a furniture family with a 'frame' a 'seat' and a 'back'.

Optional: Create subcategories for all 3.

Create the desired number of types (combinations of color. If you use two colors for back and seat there are 4 types.)

Example: Frame is always black:

Type 1: Back+Seat are RED

Type 2: Back and Seat are BLUE

Type 3: Back is RED and Seat is BLUE

Type 4: Back is BLUE and seat is RED.

Use existing or create the new materials.

Create (type) parameters (seat_color and back_color) to control the material.

 

If my post answers your question, please click the "Accept as Solution" button. This helps everyone find answers more quickly!

Kind regards,

Edwin Rense
Cadac Group AEC BV
Supporting Consultant AEC
Cadac Group .
0 Likes

Like @mhiserZFHXS stated, do not use DWG as 'Imported Categories' it makes things more complex.

 

Create a furniture family with a 'frame' a 'seat' and a 'back'.

Optional: Create subcategories for all 3.

Create the desired number of types (combinations of color. If you use two colors for back and seat there are 4 types.)

Example: Frame is always black:

Type 1: Back+Seat are RED

Type 2: Back and Seat are BLUE

Type 3: Back is RED and Seat is BLUE

Type 4: Back is BLUE and seat is RED.

Use existing or create the new materials.

Create (type) parameters (seat_color and back_color) to control the material.

 

If my post answers your question, please click the "Accept as Solution" button. This helps everyone find answers more quickly!

Kind regards,

Edwin Rense
Cadac Group AEC BV
Supporting Consultant AEC
Cadac Group .
Message 7 of 16
barthbradley
in reply to: tmccar

barthbradley
Consultant
Consultant

What about View Specific Graphic Overrides?

 

Schoolchair.png

0 Likes

What about View Specific Graphic Overrides?

 

Schoolchair.png

Message 8 of 16
tmccar
in reply to: Edwin.Rense

tmccar
Advisor
Advisor

@Edwin.Rense wrote:

Like @mhiserZFHXS stated, do not use DWG as 'Imported Categories' it makes things more complex.

 

Create a furniture family with a 'frame' a 'seat' and a 'back'.

Optional: Create subcategories for all 3.

Create the desired number of types (combinations of color. If you use two colors for back and seat there are 4 types.)

Example: Frame is always black:

Type 1: Back+Seat are RED

Type 2: Back and Seat are BLUE

Type 3: Back is RED and Seat is BLUE

Type 4: Back is BLUE and seat is RED.

Use existing or create the new materials.

Create (type) parameters (seat_color and back_color) to control the material.

 

 

 

Yes but the seat and back are fairly comnplex - difficult to  model in Revit. And also the frame. 


 

0 Likes


@Edwin.Rense wrote:

Like @mhiserZFHXS stated, do not use DWG as 'Imported Categories' it makes things more complex.

 

Create a furniture family with a 'frame' a 'seat' and a 'back'.

Optional: Create subcategories for all 3.

Create the desired number of types (combinations of color. If you use two colors for back and seat there are 4 types.)

Example: Frame is always black:

Type 1: Back+Seat are RED

Type 2: Back and Seat are BLUE

Type 3: Back is RED and Seat is BLUE

Type 4: Back is BLUE and seat is RED.

Use existing or create the new materials.

Create (type) parameters (seat_color and back_color) to control the material.

 

 

 

Yes but the seat and back are fairly comnplex - difficult to  model in Revit. And also the frame. 


 

Message 9 of 16
barthbradley
in reply to: tmccar

barthbradley
Consultant
Consultant

Schoolchair3.png

 

0 Likes

Schoolchair3.png

 

Message 10 of 16
barthbradley
in reply to: tmccar

barthbradley
Consultant
Consultant

Here's my quickie solution. See attached.  

 

NOTE: Frame is Shared and Nested into Seat and Back Family. Family 1=Seat/Back w/ Nested Frame. Family 2=Frame.  

0 Likes

Here's my quickie solution. See attached.  

 

NOTE: Frame is Shared and Nested into Seat and Back Family. Family 1=Seat/Back w/ Nested Frame. Family 2=Frame.  

Message 11 of 16
mhiserZFHXS
in reply to: tmccar

mhiserZFHXS
Advisor
Advisor

Are these being rendered, or is this for documentation only?

0 Likes

Are these being rendered, or is this for documentation only?

Message 12 of 16
tmccar
in reply to: mhiserZFHXS

tmccar
Advisor
Advisor

@mhiserZFHXS wrote:

Are these being rendered, or is this for documentation only?


Not for rendering - more for mockups I believe.

0 Likes


@mhiserZFHXS wrote:

Are these being rendered, or is this for documentation only?


Not for rendering - more for mockups I believe.

Message 13 of 16
tmccar
in reply to: barthbradley

tmccar
Advisor
Advisor

@barthbradley wrote:

Here's my quickie solution. See attached.  

 

NOTE: Frame is Shared and Nested into Seat and Back Family. Family 1=Seat/Back w/ Nested Frame. Family 2=Frame.  


Thanks for that

Did you set colours in Autocad?

0 Likes


@barthbradley wrote:

Here's my quickie solution. See attached.  

 

NOTE: Frame is Shared and Nested into Seat and Back Family. Family 1=Seat/Back w/ Nested Frame. Family 2=Frame.  


Thanks for that

Did you set colours in Autocad?

Message 14 of 16
barthbradley
in reply to: tmccar

barthbradley
Consultant
Consultant

@tmccar wrote:

@barthbradley wrote:

Here's my quickie solution. See attached.  

 

NOTE: Frame is Shared and Nested into Seat and Back Family. Family 1=Seat/Back w/ Nested Frame. Family 2=Frame.  


Thanks for that

Did you set colours in Autocad?


 

No. I changed the colors via Override Graphics in View By Element.  I showed a screenshot above.  You could also change colors via Filters.  

 

Schoolchair4.png


@tmccar wrote:

@barthbradley wrote:

Here's my quickie solution. See attached.  

 

NOTE: Frame is Shared and Nested into Seat and Back Family. Family 1=Seat/Back w/ Nested Frame. Family 2=Frame.  


Thanks for that

Did you set colours in Autocad?


 

No. I changed the colors via Override Graphics in View By Element.  I showed a screenshot above.  You could also change colors via Filters.  

 

Schoolchair4.png

Message 15 of 16
mhiserZFHXS
in reply to: tmccar

mhiserZFHXS
Advisor
Advisor

Then don't worry about all of the complex geometry. Model it in Revit and get it close.

Then don't worry about all of the complex geometry. Model it in Revit and get it close.

Message 16 of 16
barthbradley
in reply to: tmccar

barthbradley
Consultant
Consultant

Have you tried BIMObject.com? I found over a dozen (maybe more) Revit Families there for chairs that are very similar looking to yours.  

0 Likes

Have you tried BIMObject.com? I found over a dozen (maybe more) Revit Families there for chairs that are very similar looking to yours.  

Can't find what you're looking for? Ask the community or share your knowledge.

Post to forums  

Autodesk Design & Make Report