Extend insulation beyond structure boundary

[samantha_vuk]

Hi everybody!

I'm starting to learn Revit on a simple house project.

I'm trying to extend the bottom insulation of the floor beyond the boundary of the floor structure, so it meets with the outer (vertical) insulation of the wall. Is it possible?  I attached an image of what I want to do, for better understanding.

Thank You!

[PhilvK]

They should join if they have the same layer priority level.

[constantin.stroescu]

you can try to extend the wall layers instead...

Select Wall>Edit Type>TypeParameters>Construction>Structure>Edit- here in View -Section :Modify Type -then click Modify and select the Layers you want to extend and Unlock it (them)....

[barthbradley]

Why don't you edit the floor and change the extents of boundary then?  

[PhilvK]

My mistake in my reply - I thought the sketch showed walls in plan.

[barthbradley]

You're still correct, @PhilvK 

But, actually I see it like @constantin.stroescu, but NOT unlocking and extending Floor. Unlocking and extending wall finish layer(s) instead. Also looks like OP may need to overlap the Floor/Wall and use Join Geometry to remove volume at the union.  

@samantha_vuk : Post your file here so we can provide solutions instead of guesses. 

[ridantuo]

Edit Type > Structure (Edit) > Layers need to be set up correctly. [1] joins to [1], [2] to [2], etc. when join or join geometry (example join wall to floor with join geometry and Switch Join Order if needed) is used. So as long as they are correct it should join properly.

[samantha_vuk]

I have both insulation priority 3, but they do not join.

[samantha_vuk]

I already extended part of the wall insulation into the terrain. I wanted to extend the bottom floor insulation, because this is how the layering will be made on the construction site. 

[samantha_vuk]

I tried, and this is what I got. Still not working propperly.

 

[samantha_vuk]

I attached the Rvt file. Thanks for the help and ideas.

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Two solutions.

First is to just extend the wall insulation by how much you need it to meet the one under the slab, in this case 15cm. They're the same material and will clean up automatically.

To get what you want (insulation under the slab to go to the wall exterior line), you need to edit the floor footprint and get it all the way out.

 Then you'll end up with this mess:

To fix that you need to use the cut command and "cut" the wall from the floor.

The drawback of this approach is that you'll have to cut them manually on every single wall if you want accurate material takeoff. Works for really small projects, a nightmare for big ones.

That's why I simply create them as separate floors. Construction floor as one floor, finish layers another floor, gravel (or in your case insulation) under the slab, third floor...

Pozdrav 🙂

[samantha_vuk]

That is actually the best idea so far. I lost a few hours on this.

Until a better solution arises, I'm going to stick with your double floor idea.

Hvala!

[samantha_vuk]

@blank... Since the same thing happens in the joining of the ceiling to wall materials of the loggia, would you use the same approach with the double floor?

 

 

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@samantha_vuk wrote:

@blank... Since the same thing happens in the joining of the ceiling to wall materials of the loggia, would you use the same approach with the double floor? 

 

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Yes. I actually use different floor for all ceiling plaster types. I place a construction floor as one floor (monta ili AB), another floor on top of it for finish layers, and another floor below it as a ceiling plaster.

I do it this way because you can have several different types of ceiling plaster on one floor (inside, outside, under loggias and balconies which are unheated, under rooms which are heated...), and this is the simplest "foolproof" workflow.

Here is an example exactly of a loggia on a project I'm working right now.

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@samantha_vuk 

Btw. you can read more about floors / walls in this thread. I was also exploring some other, smarter, faster and simpler way of doing it, but unfortunately considering Revit hierarchy for them, there doesn't seem to be one for our part of the world.

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-architecture-forum/looking-for-the-best-approach-for-modeling-f...