Detail Components resizing

[Anonymous]

Thought that will be simply, but it wasn't: I just trying to add some random detail components to detail view, and took me some minutes to find they are so tiny that I can hardly see them.

However, when selecting detail component, scale button is greyed out.

How to make it working? In drafting view, I assume any general scale can be selected to make detail component visible, but in detail view, scale of detail may be inappropriate.

[Avaris.]

About resizing and scaling.

[ToanDN]

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@Anonymous wrote:

Thought that will be simply, but it wasn't: I just trying to add some random detail components to detail view, and took me some minutes to find they are so tiny that I can hardly see them.

However, when selecting detail component, scale button is greyed out.

How to make it working? In drafting view, I assume any general scale can be selected to make detail component visible, but in detail view, scale of detail may be inappropriate.

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Detail components should be drawn to true sizes.  As with all families, you cannot scale them but you can add parameters in the family change (stretch) the sizes of components.

[barthbradley]

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@Anonymous wrote:

...but in detail view, scale of detail may be inappropriate.

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What do you mean?  Do you mean "inappropriate" to show on Sheet. In other words, you don't want the View Scale to show on the Sheet.  Maybe you'd rather have "N.T.S." shown instead. This can be accomplished.  But, keep the Detail Items to true size for accurate proportional representation in the scaled view.    

[Anonymous]

What would it mean "to true size"? To set viewport scale to 1:1, and than to add detail component to viewport? This is not practice I use to use, details are usally set to scales from 1:5 to 1:20.

[Anonymous]

Yes, scale of details are mostly set with idea of sheet size and composition.

[Anonymous]

Scaling is not available for detail components, that's why I initiated this subject. 

[barthbradley]

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@Anonymous wrote:

Scaling is not available for detail components, that's why I initiated this subject. 

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What???  

...A 2x4 stud's cross-section measurement is 1 1/2" x 3 1/2" in the real world, as well as in the family. At a View Scale of 1/4" : 1'-0", it scales to 1/48" of that real world size.   This is how technical drawings have been done for a millennium.   

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-lt/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2018/ENU/RevitLT-DocumentPresent/files/GUID-D5DCF485-C943-4F01-93FB-1E6CA88050A7-htm.html

[ToanDN]

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@Anonymous wrote:

Scaling is not available for detail components, that's why I initiated this subject. 

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You are confusing between detail components and annotations.  Detail components are to be drawn to the built-dimensions, not the print-out dimensions.  A detail component of a 20cm x 10cm brick is 20cm x 10cm.  An annotation such as a keynote, a tag, or a symbol, is to be drawn to the print-out dimension, such as 1.5cm.

[barthbradley]

An Annotation using a  3/32" Font is always printed 3/32" -- no matter what the View Scale. 

[Anonymous]

We are seemingly using a little different terms for the concepts, and that can create some misunderstanding.

I am somewhat confused by your term "true size".

From the early Autocad times I learned do draw virtually everything in true size, than use scaling in paper layout only.

The other approach could have only caused confusion during some complex developments.

As far as I see, Revit does not even allow such freedom, to not draw to true size - everything is made to true size, except annotation objects, which adjust to scale automatically, and scale controls only "sheet size" of view.

I am MEP guy who hooks on architectural forum as I want to learn some things which are harder for me than MEP stuff. 

In this particular case, however, MEP practica might be somewhat different from architectural one - I would prefer to make view where detail components would be present near the assembly position, but in different, larger scale, which possibly fit text-note schedule. So what should I do? Should I make separate view, where only detail components would be visible, and than adjust view scale to have size what I need on paper?

[barthbradley]

I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out you are talking about.  It sounds like you are an experience drafter though, which makes me think we're missing your point entirely.  In fact, I don't know if you are even talking about scaling anymore.  At least, not the way I'm thinking of it.  But, the practice of actually drawing to scale went away when CAD was introduced.  I was there.  It was a great day.  

[Anonymous]

It is often much easier to draft than to explain in many words.

Consider that as text note schedule, with detail component serving as an illustration to text note items. It is not to scale, but size is adjusted so that it is large just enough that fitter will easily recognise the detail.

That way, illustrated legend replaces lots of unnecessary detail drawings.

To achieve that I should be able to set any scale I want to detail component, unlinked to drawing scale.

Toad mention the option, to edit detail component family by adding scaling parameters?! Does not sound simple.

[barthbradley]

Use Symbols...or go old school and use template guides and pen.  

[FAIR59 · Accepted solution]

you can have an image as part of a schedule. see https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2018/EN...

[Anonymous]

That seems closest to what I need, available in Revit, thanks.