Design Options conflicting

[erinznire]

I'm not too sure what will all need to be known, and excuse the lack of official terminology in my repertoire, but I do very basic drawings in Revit - floor plans only really, and I've added a little screenshot showing the design options and the issue I'm having. I welcome all suggestions, on a fix or even if I should be using a different process. I appreciate you taking the time to read.

I utilize design options to separate each bay in large industrial buildings. I have the main building drawn in the primary option, then I have a design set for options which I design, and then I add another for actual confirmed tenant build outs - seems to generally work, aside from the fact that when walls intersect, even if the walls are on another design option that isn't turned on in my view, the wall on the design option that is turned on gets a little cut through it. To now I've been literally drawing in lines to fill in the spots thinking this must just be the way it is. Today I thought I'd ask to see if it is in fact the way she blows or if I'm doing something wrong? The wall with the piece missing, that is shown in my image, is on the "Bay 14 Tenant Build Out" design option, and the wall that is doing the cutting is on the "Bay 14 Large Build Out" option (that is turned off in my visibility/graphics), neither of these walls exist on any other option set, and I've not used any other Revit fanciness that I can think of.

I hope I gave enough info to know the problem, thank you!

[erinznire]

More fun - I can't put a door where this wall isn't either...

[barthbradley]

Hi @erinznire. I don't understand your setup.  What is the purpose of Design Options? It sounds like you using them as a way to segregate building construction.  If so, I can imagine the world of hurt you are going through by doing it with DOs, because elements that depend on another element must be in the same design option. Seems to me that Phasing -- or even Linking -- would be a better approach. Heck, even Filters could be effectively employed to do the same thing.   

...I think this Link may be of help to you: 

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2018/EN...

[erinznire]

Thanks for the reply, Ive been through a lot of craziness trying to make this work, and the research I have done made me think Design Options are the best bet, though Revit is vast and I could definitely be missing something. I need a good half hour to actually talk through this with someone; I wish I knew people that used this program close to me...I am the only Revit user in my office and I've been flying by my proverbial pants. I only have Google and these forums, and I have been through the link you gave, before. It is logical that a door cannot be on a wall that isn't on, or that it needs to be on the same DO. But the things I am experiencing are separate items, a wall that is on another DO is leaving a hole in my current wall on a separate DO - why would it even do this? Isn't the point of DO's to be able to have more than one design in one space, and to be able to print both options without needing to have another file? I've assumed as much anyways, maybe I'm wrong. Ultimately, what I need to be able to do is have the entire building in one file with my site plan and my floor areas calculated on one view, and then I need to have all of the components in a single bay (excluding the existing construction - the base building basically) show up on schedules bay by bay. Then I also need to be able to show different build out options of the bays, so each bay ends up having 3 design options typically. The "Existing Construction" I brought up before might be edited here and there in which case I bring that wall into a DO and add my door or whatever it may be that's changing, whilst retaining the original wall without the door in another DO. Linking seems far more arduous than necessary for what I'm after, and phasing seems like it doesn't have enough options for what I'm after...Am I way off base?

[barthbradley]

Here's the thing. @erinznire: it doesn't sound like you have have a Main Model -- elements that are common to all of the Design Options.  It sounds like you are building Design Options on top of Design Options.  Maybe I am just misreading you, but that's my understanding from what you have written.  However, it does sound like DOs have an application here -- but, just not in the way you are utilizing them.  

[erinznire]

I’ve probably just not been very clear. The base building and most of the demising walls are in my main model, and then the bay designs are in DO’s. It’s those DO’s that are cutting holes in each other. And then the door I tried to add where the wall in one DO (that isn’t on) is cutting through the wall that is on. I think the pictures I posted before might help clarify that if that doesn’t make much sense. The point though, is that I don’t think they’re supposed to cut each other are they? I have a work around and on the other accidental duplicate of this post someone gave me another, but I’d rather it just didn’t do that...is there a logical reason that they would cut through each other? Even if one option isn’t even turned on?

its okay if you give up on this haha, I appreciate the help though!

[barthbradley]

I'm too stubborn to give up. HA!  

So, what it sounds like you're describing, is what I addressed in an earlier post -- that elements that are interdependent on each other must be in the same Design Option. For instance, if you have one DO representing a Wall with a Door and another representing a  Wall  without a Door, then each DO needs to have that Wall in it -- even if it's the same wall.  The reason for this is that a door can't exist without a Wall.  

[erinznire]

Well that’s a good thing for me 🙂 I fully get that part, it makes sense but the wall that is causing havoc is on a completely different DO, and the door and the other wall are on another, they are different design options entirely, because they aren’t interdependent. Hope that makes sense...One wall is north south, the other wall is east west, they are different designs, the door I’m trying to put on the north south wall says the east west wall is causing problems and the east west wall is what is cutting my north south wall...does that make sense?

[ToanDN]

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@erinznire wrote:

Well that’s a good thing for me 🙂 I fully get that part, it makes sense but the wall that is causing havoc is on a completely different DO, and the door and the other wall are on another, they are different design options entirely, because they aren’t interdependent. Hope that makes sense...One wall is north south, the other wall is east west, they are different designs, the door I’m trying to put on the north south wall says the east west wall is causing problems and the east west wall is what is cutting my north south wall...does that make sense?

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Are they under different Option Sets?

[barthbradley]

are you seeing this error?

[erinznire]

Yes I am - if you look at that 2.png I put on my second comment you can see its talking about the east west wall that I'm not even trying to put the door on though.

[erinznire]

Sorry they are both in different sets

[erinznire]

Oh except mine says design option and design option

[erinznire]

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[barthbradley]

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...okay, so if that's indeed the error, it sounds like you are simply in the wrong DO.  But, I suspect you've already considered that.

Tell you what: If you want to post the file, I can better understand what's going on. 

...guess what: I received the "Okay I lied here too, they are different sets entirely" post that you deleted.  You can run, but you can't hide.  he, he. 

[erinznire]

I can do in the am, the file is at work. I really appreciate it. You'll probably have a good giggle at my setup, this has been quite the learning curve for me. I was in the appropriate DO for sure...so strange. I'll post tomorrow.

Cheers

[erinznire]

I forgot that I had given up and deleted the other option but I recreated it...so now it's doing the opposite of what it was doing before. But it's still doing it. Go into the "Bay 14 Problematic DO" View and I have a couple notes in there showing my problem. I'd love any feedback you have about it to be honest 🙂

Thank you so much for your time!!

[barthbradley]

I can readily see the issue. That wall is not continuous. It is intersected and divided by another wall in the Main Model.  Split the wall at the intersection and make the Door wall continuous.  

[Anonymous]

If you have a main model linked in, I'd suggest running each TI as a different model...Design Options can get really complicated, and one accidental promotion to current you lose everything.  

[ToanDN]

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@erinznire wrote:

Sorry they are both in different sets

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That is the problem.  Elements of different Options in ONE Set will not interact with each others, but they do with all Options of other Sets and the Main model.  Turning options of other sets off has no bearing on what you are trying to get.

Technically, when things criss-cross like that they should be under the same Option Set.