Curtain Wall with different interior & exterior appearance

[Anonymous]

Hello Revit People

Im trying to modelling this typ of Wall wich has Panels on the outside of the Wall and non Panels in the inside of the Wall. Im new to curtain walls and i watched some tutorials. I created this curtain wall and on the outside it looks like i want.

curtainwalloutside.PNGcurtainwallinside.PNG

The Problem is that the inside of the wall looks like the outside. The Inside of the Wall should have no Panels.

Any Tips?

Thank you very much

David

[ToanDN]

Create two layers, the exterior is the curtain wall, the interior is a basic wall.

[Anonymous]

sorry dumb question: How exactly can i do this (create 2 layers)?

Thank you very much

[ToanDN]

Offset the curtain wall and change the type to a basic wall type. Edit the wall type to the thickness you need.

[Anonymous]

I tried now for 1 hour, but i just cant get it to work.

-I place a curtain Wall (which offset?)

-i create curtain grid

-after this i can place Panels on thos grids (Walls). Those grids and Panels are identical interior as exterior.

I can offset those Panels but it doesnt help me or i dont know.

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[ToanDN]

Not offset the panels but the entire curtain walls themselves. Offset tool is under Modify tab. Or ypu csn use copy tool under the same tab. Or simply draw the basic walls directly on the interior and use align tool to align them with the exterior curtain walls.

[Sahay_R]

@Anonymous - Either that, or create two panels with different materials in the panel family.

[Anonymous]

Ok so basically i have to draw 2 Walls an align it together (see picture):

2 Walls Align.PNG

How should i deal with Windows and Doors:

door in 2 walls.PNG

Any Tips here? Make an opening in the curtain wall and Place the Door behind it ? 

Many thanks for your patience

[Anonymous]

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@Sahay_R wrote:

@Anonymous - Either that, or create two panels with different materials in the panel family.

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hmmm? I mean i can give different Materials in one Panel (interior / exterior Material) but i still have those Mullions on both side of the Wall? 

[ToanDN]

It depends on your construction.  Commonly, the door is a storefront door then you use a curtain wall door for the panel, then make an opening in the interior wall to match.  Oddly, the door is hosted by the interior wall then you replace the curtain panel with an empty system panel.

[barthbradley]

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@Anonymous wrote:

Panels on the outside of the Wall and non Panels in the inside of the Wall.

Any Tips?

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You're describing two different walls.  Model them that way.  Basic Wall o/ Curtain Wall. 

But, I'm more curious to know what's in between the two walls. I'd like to know how it's going to be constructed in the real world.  Are you using a CW just as a way to model the building facade you are envisioning? 

[Anonymous]

@barthbradley wrote:

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@Anonymous wrote:

Panels on the outside of the Wall and non Panels in the inside of the Wall.

Any Tips?

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You're describing two different walls.  Model them that way.  Basic Wall o/ Curtain Wall. 

But, I'm more curious to know what's in between the two walls. I'd like to know how it's going to be constructed in the real world.  Are you using a CW just as a way to model the building facade you are envisioning? 

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Constructed in Real World: Those Panels will get screwed on the outside of those basic concrete Wall like in these pictures (for some reason the forum uploader turns the picture around):

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Outside: Panels, Inside no Panels.

Im Modelling an office to do some VR, so i need to be as accurate as i can. 

Do you have any idea how i can do this with only one wall instead of 2 walls (basicwall & curtain wall) ?

Thanks

David

[barthbradley · Accepted solution]

My suggestion: Forget the CW. Use A Basic Wall with Exterior and Interior Finish Layers.  Use another method to delineate the panels (i.e. model hatch pattern, reveals, etc.)

...if you really want to: you could turn the assembly into Parts and divide the panel layer.  

[ToanDN · Accepted solution]

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@Anonymous wrote:

Im Modelling an office to do some VR, so i need to be as accurate as i can. 

Do you have any idea how i can do this with only one wall instead of 2 walls (basicwall & curtain wall) ?

Thanks

David

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If you want to do it as one wall you cannot use curtain wall.  Use a basic wall with the necessary layers for the entire assembly, then place reveals or sweeps on the exterior side to set the panel grid.

With that said, IMHO they are two different systems and should be modeled as such.

[barthbradley]

Really? Two walls? They look like cubical partition walls, @ToanDN.  Maybe I'm misinterpreting what I'm seeing.  

[Anonymous]

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@barthbradley wrote:

Really? Two walls? They look like cubical partition walls, @ToanDN.  Maybe I'm misinterpreting what I'm seeing.  

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No you dont. Thats one Wall with screwed on panels.  I will try your way to modell it with one wall. I might have time to this today evening. I might post tomorrow the result or more likely questions 😄

Thanks all for the help you guys /girls are awesome

David

[Anonymous]

So i used this time the wall sweep / wall reveal tool to "create" those panels

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Im very happy that this worked so easy without creating 2 walls. Its also easy to place windows and doors without effort. 

The only thing what is negative that those "Panel" are not physical created. So i have to count the numbers by hand for each wall. 

Big thanks

David

[ToanDN]

Select the walls and Create Parts, and you can schedule parts to get the panel count.

[barthbradley]

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@Anonymous wrote:

The only thing what is negative that those "Panel" are not physical created. So i have to count the numbers by hand for each wall. 

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Put your fingers away, dude. Revit is perfectly capable of figuring the panel count based on the total linear feet of walls divided by the individual panel width.   

[Anonymous]

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@barthbradley wrote:

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@Anonymous wrote:

The only thing what is negative that those "Panel" are not physical created. So i have to count the numbers by hand for each wall. 

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Put your fingers away, dude. Revit is perfectly capable of figuring the panel count based on the total linear feet of walls divided by the individual panel width.   

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of course it is 

Thanks for the help 😄