Curtain wall not visible when Initially drawn

[dariusA3K8S]

Hi all 

I have made a curtain wall that is not displaying correctly. As in it is invisible until modified. This only happens with walls less than or the same as my fixed distance (3m). But I require this dimension to segment the mullions correctly. Which also have to be a multiple of three to correctly BOM.

Does anyone know whats going on?

Please have a look at the video attached to see what I'm referring to.

and the screenshot of its properties 

Propertiesof the properties.

[dariusA3K8S]

Hi all 

I have made a curtain wall that is not displaying correctly. As in it is invisible until modified. This only happens with walls less than or the same as my fixed distance (3m). But I require this dimension to segment the mullions correctly. Which also have to be a multiple of three to correctly BOM.

Does anyone know whats going on?

Please have a look at the video attached to see what I'm referring to.

and the screenshot of its properties 

Propertiesof the properties.

[ennujozlagam]

share the file so we can check. thanks

[ennujozlagam]

share the file so we can check. thanks

[ennujozlagam]

can you try to untick use hardware acceleration from options and see if helps. thanks

[ennujozlagam]

can you try to untick use hardware acceleration from options and see if helps. thanks

[ennujozlagam]

if you pick the other one and right click > create similar what happen?. thanks

[ennujozlagam]

if you pick the other one and right click > create similar what happen?. thanks

[dariusA3K8S]

Here ennujozlagam 

Please see the attached

[dariusA3K8S]

Here ennujozlagam 

Please see the attached

[dariusA3K8S]

Hi no luck with creating similar.

has the same issue anything under or at 3m isn't visible.

Thanks for trying to help I can not wrap my head around this one.

[dariusA3K8S]

Hi no luck with creating similar.

has the same issue anything under or at 3m isn't visible.

Thanks for trying to help I can not wrap my head around this one.

[ennujozlagam]

strange???? but i did try to copy the curtain wall in a new file and it works to issue. it could be your curtain wall panel problem. i guess. thanks

[ennujozlagam]

strange???? but i did try to copy the curtain wall in a new file and it works to issue. it could be your curtain wall panel problem. i guess. thanks

[ennujozlagam]

try to go to your 3D view and draw the curtain wall, you be able to see when you draw. it could be the views issue? thanks

[ennujozlagam]

try to go to your 3D view and draw the curtain wall, you be able to see when you draw. it could be the views issue? thanks

[dariusA3K8S]

I tried that. Unfortunately, it creates an empty square it should be filled with curtain panels and mullions 

And this only happens when the wall length is 3m or less any length over 3 it appears fine.

[dariusA3K8S]

I tried that. Unfortunately, it creates an empty square it should be filled with curtain panels and mullions 

And this only happens when the wall length is 3m or less any length over 3 it appears fine.

[ennujozlagam]

it's totally different outcome from mine to yours, in my 3D view when i draw curtain wall i can see the mullions. thanks

[ennujozlagam]

it's totally different outcome from mine to yours, in my 3D view when i draw curtain wall i can see the mullions. thanks

[ennujozlagam]

the only option is to remove the fixed distance 3.000 and there will be no issues? thanks

[ennujozlagam]

the only option is to remove the fixed distance 3.000 and there will be no issues? thanks

[martijn_pater]

You've placed a curtain wall inside a curtain wall as panel...

... don't really see why it wouldn't work though, if you edit the cw type, change&reapply the same panel it does work...

setting to none gives me: Changes have been made that cause a curtain wall with type driven grid lines to exceed the maximum allowed number of type driven lines (200 in direction (1) and 200 in direction (2)). If you really need this many type driven grid lines, please split the affected wall before proceeding.

Probably something to do with that...

Why not model it as 3 panels in a panel? or 3x generic model on array ie.

[martijn_pater]

You've placed a curtain wall inside a curtain wall as panel...

... don't really see why it wouldn't work though, if you edit the cw type, change&reapply the same panel it does work...

setting to none gives me: Changes have been made that cause a curtain wall with type driven grid lines to exceed the maximum allowed number of type driven lines (200 in direction (1) and 200 in direction (2)). If you really need this many type driven grid lines, please split the affected wall before proceeding.

Probably something to do with that...

Why not model it as 3 panels in a panel? or 3x generic model on array ie.

[martijn_pater]

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@martijn_pater wrote:

Why not model it as 3 panels in a panel? or 3x generic model on array ie.

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Scratch last part, that doesn't work ofcourse, but 3 'panels' in a cw panel could work though.

[martijn_pater]

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@martijn_pater wrote:

Why not model it as 3 panels in a panel? or 3x generic model on array ie.

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Scratch last part, that doesn't work ofcourse, but 3 'panels' in a cw panel could work though.

[RDAOU]

@dariusA3K8S 

It is not visible because you are creating only 1 instance which is =< than the specified fixed distance. Placing 2 instances or resizing will force Revit to regenerate …

Nonetheless, I do not get it why you are nesting a curtain wall as a panel?! You can simply set up the curtain wall to use the Infinity Frame 980 panel and the Vertical Grids at 1m fixed distance intervals...which would give you the same result without the above hassel

[RDAOU]

@dariusA3K8S 

It is not visible because you are creating only 1 instance which is =< than the specified fixed distance. Placing 2 instances or resizing will force Revit to regenerate …

Nonetheless, I do not get it why you are nesting a curtain wall as a panel?! You can simply set up the curtain wall to use the Infinity Frame 980 panel and the Vertical Grids at 1m fixed distance intervals...which would give you the same result without the above hassel

[martijn_pater]

I think the idea was to have 3x1m panel, then a mullion, 3x1m panel, then a mullion etc., vertically also...?

@dariusA3K8S If that's the case your interior vertical mullion is not set in the cw type actually, you could try setting those? See if that works. nope. You also can't type the length for the curtain wall apparently, only way seems to draw it longer and then shorten it... I guess it's a strange-way-of-building-your-curtain-walls-yields-strange-errors type of thing (no pun intended)...

[martijn_pater]

I think the idea was to have 3x1m panel, then a mullion, 3x1m panel, then a mullion etc., vertically also...?

@dariusA3K8S If that's the case your interior vertical mullion is not set in the cw type actually, you could try setting those? See if that works. nope. You also can't type the length for the curtain wall apparently, only way seems to draw it longer and then shorten it... I guess it's a strange-way-of-building-your-curtain-walls-yields-strange-errors type of thing (no pun intended)...

[RDAOU]

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@martijn_pater wrote:

I think the idea was to have 3x1m panel, then a mullion, 3x1m panel, then a mullion etc., vertically also...?

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That is not how his curtain wall is set up...He is not using any interior/intermediate mullions and nesting is neither required nor does it make any sense in this case 

Why should one over complicate something which cannot be any simpler....Setting the vertical grid to 1m fixed distance will drive the panels width/size while the border mullions are placed wherever he clicks after 1 panel, 2 panels, 3 panels...10 panels 

PS: Nesting a CW as a panel could only make sense if the intent is to have an specific interior mullion (not similar to the border mullions) every 3rd panel...which doesn't seem to be the case here.

[RDAOU]

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@martijn_pater wrote:

I think the idea was to have 3x1m panel, then a mullion, 3x1m panel, then a mullion etc., vertically also...?

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That is not how his curtain wall is set up...He is not using any interior/intermediate mullions and nesting is neither required nor does it make any sense in this case 

Why should one over complicate something which cannot be any simpler....Setting the vertical grid to 1m fixed distance will drive the panels width/size while the border mullions are placed wherever he clicks after 1 panel, 2 panels, 3 panels...10 panels 

PS: Nesting a CW as a panel could only make sense if the intent is to have an specific interior mullion (not similar to the border mullions) every 3rd panel...which doesn't seem to be the case here.

[martijn_pater]

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@RDAOU wrote

That is not how his curtain wall is set up...He is not using any interior/intermediate mullions and nesting is neither required nor does it make any sense in this case 

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I noticed. It is not how the mullions are set up. I would say it is how the curtain wall is set up though (fixed distance 3m)... I think that is the point of nesting another cw anyway, doing it as you did you can place the mullion every third meter manually... which I think would work fine btw, it is first thing I did anyway (create similar for the nested cw and added the corner mullions...)

[martijn_pater]

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@RDAOU wrote

That is not how his curtain wall is set up...He is not using any interior/intermediate mullions and nesting is neither required nor does it make any sense in this case 

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I noticed. It is not how the mullions are set up. I would say it is how the curtain wall is set up though (fixed distance 3m)... I think that is the point of nesting another cw anyway, doing it as you did you can place the mullion every third meter manually... which I think would work fine btw, it is first thing I did anyway (create similar for the nested cw and added the corner mullions...)

[RDAOU]

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@martijn_pater wrote:

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I noticed. It is not how the mullions are set up. I would say it is how the curtain wall is set up though (fixed distance 3m)...

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the 3m controls the panel width (his nested CW has NO MULLIONS, it is just panels - hence it doesn't make sense nesting)… On the other hand the walls of his cubical are 3 meters long => he just needs border mullions with 3 panels in between without interior mullions

[RDAOU]

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@martijn_pater wrote:

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I noticed. It is not how the mullions are set up. I would say it is how the curtain wall is set up though (fixed distance 3m)...

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the 3m controls the panel width (his nested CW has NO MULLIONS, it is just panels - hence it doesn't make sense nesting)… On the other hand the walls of his cubical are 3 meters long => he just needs border mullions with 3 panels in between without interior mullions

[martijn_pater]

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@RDAOU wrote

the 3m controls the panel width (his nested CW has NO MULLIONS, it is just panels - hence it doesn't make sense nesting)… On the other hand the walls of his cubical are 3 meters long => he just needs border mullions with 3 panels in between without interior mullions

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Ow I agree with you absolutely, it doesn't make any sense the interior mullion for this host cw is not set with the 3m fixed distance...no point in doing that... but it shows to me OP intended to place a new nested cw with 3panels every third meter also based on the layout next to it... but perhaps wait for OP's response to find out what's the plan here... 😉  ( You could ofcourse do it like you did and then instruct somewhere to draw walls with 3m length or to place an interior mullion every third 🙂 )

[martijn_pater]

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@RDAOU wrote

the 3m controls the panel width (his nested CW has NO MULLIONS, it is just panels - hence it doesn't make sense nesting)… On the other hand the walls of his cubical are 3 meters long => he just needs border mullions with 3 panels in between without interior mullions

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Ow I agree with you absolutely, it doesn't make any sense the interior mullion for this host cw is not set with the 3m fixed distance...no point in doing that... but it shows to me OP intended to place a new nested cw with 3panels every third meter also based on the layout next to it... but perhaps wait for OP's response to find out what's the plan here... 😉  ( You could ofcourse do it like you did and then instruct somewhere to draw walls with 3m length or to place an interior mullion every third 🙂 )

[hmunsell]

it has something to do with the panel being used. if you set the panel to Glass, it works fine.

[hmunsell]

it has something to do with the panel being used. if you set the panel to Glass, it works fine.