Crop View or Scope Boxes?

[ben]

I have a building with different areas (A,B,C, & D) and all areas are perfect squares. Honest opinion on what everyone prefers: Crop View or Section Boxes? They both achieve the same goal, just wondering which one everyone prefers and why.

[RobDraw]

I wouldn't want dependent views to have the same scope box as the parent view but I'm not sure if I'm understanding. 

[matt.hand52]

@RobDraw Dont you love how wordy Revit questions get? 😛

Say I have a typical Dependent View setup to split my building into an East and West set of plans. My setup is: Parent View Uncropped, Dependent 1 set to East Scope Box, Dependent 2 Set to West Scope Box. When I Rt Click the parent and "Apply Dependent Views" to set the rest of my plot view with this scheme, Revit duplicates the selected views as it should (as dependents) and does crop those dependents to the region of my Scope Boxes. But, the Dependent Views that get created with this function are not actually assigned to the East and West Scope Boxes, they are just merely cropped to those regions and can be manipulated individually.

Hope that explains it better.

[RobDraw]

Yes, it does. 

Interesting observation. So, if you edit the scope boxes that you use for the dependents, do they all change or do you need to assign them to the subsequent dependents that aren't assigned to the scope boxes?

[matt.hand52]

When I update my Scope Box Boundaries, my Dependent Views do not follow that update... They are now individually cropped. It just started from the original Scope Box Boundaries, but are now on their own if my scope boxes change from their original bounds.

I've been using this workflow for at least 5 years... I seem to always remember my Scope Box Settings holding in each applied dependent. But now I am finding that hard to prove. It's possible I always went back and re-assigned these dependents back to the East and West Scope Boxes, but I feel I would have remembered... I always thought that was the strength of this workflow, so that everything stayed connected and consistent. 

[RobDraw]

It's been a while but my workflow involved checking a view schedule to verify such things. Can't remember if this was something that needed to be done.

[ToanDN]

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@matt.hand52 wrote:

When I update my Scope Box Boundaries, my Dependent Views do not follow that update... They are now individually cropped. It just started from the original Scope Box Boundaries, but are now on their own if my scope boxes change from their original bounds.

I've been using this workflow for at least 5 years... I seem to always remember my Scope Box Settings holding in each applied dependent. But now I am finding that hard to prove. It's possible I always went back and re-assigned these dependents back to the East and West Scope Boxes, but I feel I would have remembered... I always thought that was the strength of this workflow, so that everything stayed connected and consistent. 

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With that workflow, the new dependent views crop regions match those of the existing dependent views, but no scope boxes assigned to them.

[matt.hand52]

I guess that's the case from what I'm finding... Is there a spin to this workflow that will allow the newly created dependents to retain the scope box from my original setup? 

[dpelectric_pat_kennamer]

I am a big fan of scope boxes as well but due to the rectancle/square limits, it is impossibly to use with angled buildings that are 4 levels where half the building is angled, the middle is straight n/s and the other third is angled. I wish it was possible to make scope boxes useful in these situatuions.

[PEB73]

I have a star shaped building. I need to display each leg of the star horizontally on a drawing. If I apply a scope box to each leg to "crop" it to size how do I then rotate the plan to the horizontal for placement on a sheet? 

Previously I have only been using crops and rotating them to fit.

[matt.hand52]

@PEB73 The workflow for this is funky. You need to start with your full size plan on a sheet with the crop region shown. With your view Activated, select the crop region and rotate it by the angle you need that "wing" to rotate to be perpendicular to your sheet. Note: Rotating here works backwards from what you'd expect. Rotating the crop view clockwise rotates your actual view counter clockwise. After you rotated your crop region to get your view in the correct angle of orientation, create your scope box in that activated view. Now, all views applied to that scope box will rotate to that same direction.

[ToanDN]

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@PEB73 wrote:

I have a star shaped building. I need to display each leg of the star horizontally on a drawing. If I apply a scope box to each leg to "crop" it to size how do I then rotate the plan to the horizontal for placement on a sheet? 

Previously I have only been using crops and rotating them to fit.

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Draw a scope box for each leg and rotate it so that the bottom edge of the scope box will be parallel with the bottom edge of the sheet.

[matt.hand52]

That's probably less work than my method 😋 I just have better luck getting an angle snap onto a gridline by rotating the crop region than I do rotating the scope box itself, but that's probably just some bad clicks.

[PEB73]

I've found it really difficult to align a scope box with a model wing it always seems to be a bit out. The crop box rotation I can do accurately by rotating to guidelines. 

Any tips on rotating scope boxes accurately?

[ToanDN]

You can rotate a scope box accurately using guideline the same way you rotate anything else. I can make a screencast when I get to the office tomorrow.

[PEB73]

This is the method that has worked for me.

I couldn't get scope boxes to align accurately but I can rotate a crop box using detail lines or grid lines and rotating the box to the reference line I create. I can then draw a scope box around the now horizontal wing.

[peter2QGP4]

You can use the same technique within a scope box. Draw a detail line and use that as a reference to rotate both the line and the scope box (select both for this operation) to align with your angled grid.