BS1192 : Sheet NUmbering and Sorting

[Keith_Wilkinson]

 Morning all,

Over the last week I've been looking at implementing BS1192 sheet numbering.  On the whole things are going well and Brendan Cassidy's Dynamo script for importing the sheet names and sizes from Excel is very useful.

However, now that I've started looking at the setup with some real world data I've come across a bit of an issue with the sorting of the sheets.  The manner in which the BS1192 numbering system works is that the fully concatenated number is unique, not the individual fields (e.g. the number field repeats for all the GA drawings as each is for a different Level or Zone)

Looking at the example below (this is from excel but the result is the same in Revit) you can see how the Sheets sort by Number.

Because Revit sorts on the full drawing number the first value is comes to is the Zone and then Level.  The result of this is that the GA plans end up being interspersed with the Fire Strategy plans.

What I would like to see is the following, where the views are sorted first by Number and then by Zone :

 

However in Revit I only have the option to actually 'Sort' the sheets within the Project Browser by either Number or Scale, neither of which really work.

Now I know that I could provide every Sheet with a unique 'Number' field which would negate this problem but it would be going against the BS which will cause issues elsewhere in the project.  

The question is is there any other way to get access to sorting the sheets to provide a more useable result?

[sdbrownBECK]

You have to add a parameter for your sheet series. So you can sort by it.  IE 01 General info  02 Civil, 03 Architecture.  etc. Each sheet needs to then be categorized as desired.  then you can add this parameter to your schedule to maintain the order you want to achieve.  See attached image for what we call our parameters.

[Keith_Wilkinson]

That's not what I'm after - what you are talking about is Grouping not Sorting.  I don't want or need to group things further than by my classification code which I'm already using for this purpose.

The ability to sort on more than Number or Scale should be a given IMO.

[RDAOU]

Hey @Keith_Wilkinson

I am somewhat confused with respect to what you are aiming at...For me perpose/definitiong of Sorting and Grouping is somewhat relative.

Example...I group things in the Project Browser and I sort items in the Schedule which gives pretty much the same result you showed in the printscreen of the scedule in the OP... I am sorting below with an Added Project Parameter to the Sheets category (Discipline/Hidden)...I use this incombination with the same dynamo script (well more or less the same)

Are you asking Autodesk to extends the Sorting feature using parameters to be applicable in Project Browser?

[Keith_Wilkinson]

Yes. In my project browser I have sheets grouped by my classification code which is fine. What I then want to be able to do is sort the sheets first by the parameter called 'Number' (not the sheet number) and then by the parameter called 'Level'.

This is currently possible in Schedules but not in the browser.

The image below shows the comparison between a schedule which is sorted by Classification (with blank line) then Number and Level.  In the project browser window you can see how it is sorted there.  With our old numbering system this was never an issue and numerical sorting was fine but we are trying to adopt the BS1192 standards and this is where the issues have arisen.

[fabiosato]

Hello Keith,

From your image, you have BS1192_Class and BS1192_Number as Project Parameters, right?

If so you can create in the browser organization window a sheet sorting rule. Right click the root line of Views and open the Browser organization dialog.

In the Sheets tab, create a NEW one, then on the Browser organization properties, on the grouping and sorting tab, create the rules using these parameters, I believe you can get the result you want!

[Keith_Wilkinson]

if you can do it please provide an illustration as I can't see any way to sort other than by number and scale.

Yes, I can group things but that doesn't give me what I'm looking for.

[fabiosato]

Hello Keith,

This feature is available from Revit 2015.

You create Project parameters, I used Shared ones and apply them to Sheets

Them in the browser organization they show up!

[Keith_Wilkinson]

Fabio,

Can you demonstrate please the only thing I see for sorting is shown below

[RDAOU]

@fabiosato

What @Keith_Wilkinson is looking for is SORTING in the the Project Browser (to be more particular, even within the Group if sheets were grouped)...

What you have suggested is what has been previously proposed (scroll back up and read) and THAT doesn't do what Keith has in mind. In the project Browsers one can group sheets relative to Project or Shared Parameter however the SORTING (whether general or under any group) will ONLY be carried out either by number or by scale (NOT by any other parameter)

...unless one ends up grouping under a group (ie: subgroups and then sub-subgroups and so on) which is ... well grouping still. best would be if they allow sorting sheets in Project Browser by parameters as well (or anything else besides Number and Scale - a 3rd or 4th arguement)

ie: an idea for Revit Ideas (previously Idea Station)... @Keith_Wilkinson if you did post it there; provide link so we can vote it up

[Keith_Wilkinson]

yes, I popped it on the Ideas Forum - link below.

the more votes the better!!  

Improved Sheet Sorting

[fabiosato]

Hello,

Yes, I misundertood your need, sorry!

You already got my vote!