Add line to walls

[Anonymous]

Hi 

is there a way to automatically place a line on walls for example to indicate fire rating or zoning? 

[Alfredo_Medina]

Revit does not have a tool specifically designed for this purpose. There are several approaches to this. One of them is to set view filters that override the graphics of walls based on the value of the Fire Rating parameter of the wall. For example, If that parameter is equal to "1HR" then, the wall will display according to the graphic settings that you specify for that filter. You can have multiple view filters applied to the same view. The same approach can be applied to doors, as well.

[Anonymous]

@Alfredo_Medina hello

one cannot override graphics twice for the same element in the same view or can you? When for instance one already applied a filter to the view to show cut infill for walls with radiation-protection in green, how can one apply a second filter to show that this same wall is fire rated!  If one overrides graphics to show cut infill in red for fire rating  (using filter), the green infill for RA would be gone. Or am I missing out on something?

and yes this is for fire and life safety coordination plan so all must be applied to one view. 

[ToanDN]

You can create a Template for FLS plans with a set of Filters that override the Wall coarse scale cut pattern based on the value of Fire Rating parameter.

[Alfredo_Medina]

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@Anonymous wrote:

@Alfredo_Medina hello

one cannot override graphics twice for the same element in the same view or can you? ...

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What I meant to say about "multiple view filters in the same view", is, for example, one view filter for each different value of the Fire Rating parameter. In this way, multiple view filters can coexist without one taking precedence over the others. 

[ToanDN]

@Anonymous

You could combine wall cut pattern for presenting Fire rating and Room color scheme for presenting Radiation room/area.  All are on the same view.

[Anonymous]

@ToanDN @Alfredo_Medina

Thank you for your replies but the thing is I cannot do what you have suggested. As per regulation, I have to submit this plan layout scale 1:100. On it shows the following 

a. Walls mass filled (no patterns) and they have to be color coded (grey fill for existing) and blue filled for newly added walls

b. Room names and numbers (no colors and no finishes)

c. For the new walls, fire rating (red) and radioprotection (green). Some walls are either/or and some are both.

i tried what you suggested but can't seem to see how I can get the new walls which are both fire rated and radio proofed with led sheets to be distinguished from other walls. I can add a filter to get the blue filled new walls to have red edges/lines on the outer and inner skin instead of black but then how can I use another filter to show the radioprotection on that wall?

the only way I could see is adding a detail line to those walls with a green color and/or a dashed line pattern to indicate the 3rd property which is radioprotection. Maybe you can add an image for a wall showing all 3 properties using filters maybe I am misunderstanding something

[ToanDN]

Perhaps create another cut pattern/color for walls with fire and radio
ratings? What about my other suggestion on using color scheme for radio
rooms? Moving from AutoCAD to Revit we have had to find alternative
methods that utilize the tools better than stuck with what we used to do.
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-Toan

[Anonymous]

Sometimes it is not we who sets the regulations but can only abide to them. What I mean to say is that sometimes it's not company related standards but the requirement comes from the government authorities or the owner or ... If it would have been possible to use a color scheme for the rooms or cut patterns for walls like a crosshatch or something, life would be much easier. And in this case it must be a sold filled wall no cut patterns and as per regulation rooms have no background color but white showing only room names

[David_W_Koch]

How do the authorities mandating that Walls be solid filled and color-coded expect to see fire-resistance-rated partitions that also provide radiation shielding?  Or does their mandate not anticipate that combination?  The simplest thing to do would be to pick another color that means the partition has both, but that would require the authority's approval.  Or, for Walls that are both, the lines could be one color and the fill the other color - again, requiring approval.

[ToanDN]

From my experience the Fire Life Safety plancheck officials have never concerned with radiation barriers, sound barriers, and other specialized rating of our projects. In fact they always require the FLS plans to be clean of all those stuff to not distract and confuse their reviews. I am surprise yours asking to show it.

[RDAOU · Accepted solution]

As the gentlemen already tried to explain or imply, solely in Revit it is not possible to do what you are asking for except if you go around tracing those lines manually BUT IT IS doable and fairly easy using Dynamo (Revit's sole mate).. That's why it's there anyways, for what is considered to be a nonstandard practice (well it's quite hard (to impossible) to standerize a software for the whole world

I'm quite lost though with the long discussion. So I'll explain what's possible and if you see it acceptable we do the script.

Option 1: if you need to place just one detail line along certain walls with a few nodes (clock works) you can place those lines (location lines/curves) along the walls' centerline. Pretty much straight forward and you can use those for either for fire rated walls representation then use a filter to override cut lines for the wall type/category of X-ray rooms to represent radiation protection...OR vise versa

Option 2...more complicated using 2 scripts but more ideal I think...First to place location lines as described above and use them for fire representation...then use a 2nd script to place lines along room boundaries which would be more convenient to represent rdo protection for X-ray rooms and such (if those rooms have defined boundary - no separators). It's been a while since I've used something similar but I think this one requires, in addition to the custom nodes, a little bit of Python scripting.

If you see your solution in either of the above, tag me and I would gladly help you put the nodes together if you are not so familiar with it. (But only over the weekend...still have a 2hrs drive home ahead of me and won't be fit for any Revit or Dynamo tonight)

PS: radiation protection is also part of Life Safety here too but we tend to submit it separately (it goes to a different specialized department when it comes to special buildings such as nuclear facilities, plants, hospitals and laboratories...are you sure it's not the case there too?! it's a totally different discipline!)

[Anonymous]

@RDAOU I came across another posted question with a screencast by @L.Maas which seems very similar to one of your options (places lines at wall centerline) using Dynamo and this is exactly the solution I am looking for. But the screencast there is very blurry and one cannot really see what the script is. I tried on dynamobim.org and found something which sounded similar. I used same nodes but for some reason it is not working and I keep getting errors I'm not sure why.

i will mark this as solution and if you can help with that script for any of the options it would be great. I tried to ask @L.Maas too but no response. Maybe he is on vacation

[David_W_Koch · Accepted solution]

@Anonymous:  I played with this six months or so ago.  We had line-based detail component families to add NFPA-style "diamonds-&-S" symbols to show fire-resistance-rated and smoke-rated partitions, but the tedium of manually adding them and maintaining them resulted in a lot of complaints.  We have since decided to move to a different system.  I had gotten something that worked fairly well for straight Wall segments.  We have families for arc Walls, but those are hard enough to do manually, so I excluded them from my initial foray.

For actually placing the detail families, I used two nodes from the Clockwork package (by Andreas Dieckmann; well worth having installed, there is a lot more in the package than these two nodes):

• A list of Walls to receive a particular detail family is fed into the Element.Location node.  The curves output of this node provides a list of the start and end points of each straight Wall segment on the input list.
• The DetailComponent.ByCurve node takes the curves output of the Element.Location node, the family type of the line-based detail component family and the view in which the detail components are to be placed and creates a detail component for each curve (therefore, for each Wall).

Using the Clockwork package nodes made placing the detail components relatively easy.  Somewhat harder was getting it just the Walls in the current View whose base was at the plan level for that view (I had errors when Walls with bases on other levels fell into the view range of the current view, and the Clockwork packages tried to draw a detail component at a different level than the current view), then filtering out just the straight Walls and then filtering that list based on the value of the Fire Rating parameter, so that the correct family can be placed on each Wall.  (We use the Fire Rating parameter to hold a string that indicates both hourly fire-resistance-rating (if any) and whether it is a smoke partition or smoke barrier.)  You can read more about how those tasks were done in the following blog articles, if interested:

Dynamo: Active View Walls at Plan View Level

Dynamo - Filter Straight Walls

Dynamo - Filter by Type Parameter

I created a custom node for each of those functions; the blog articles have screen captures of the nodes in each and an explanation of what each does.

[Anonymous]

Hello @David_W_Koch

thank you for your reply it is also brilliant and informative. I read also the solutions on the links you gave. There is lots ahead of me to learn about dynamo, it's very interesting how it make things work better in revit and how much it makes the revit experience  easier and less frustrating 

i did use the script @L.Maas re-posted on this link http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-architecture/visibility-of-wall-overridden-by-line/m-p/6504470#M...  I believe it is something similar to both solutions above

thank you again dynamo wizards, you guys are brilliant