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r_lujanski707
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Acquire Coordinates from Architecture model

Hi, I have 3 revit files: Site Plan, Architecture and Mechanical. Architecture file located on Site model in 3 different places. I placed them in 3 different places and did Publish Coordinates. Then I opened Mechanical file, inserted Architecture model there and did Acquire Coordinates from this linked model. Now on Site Plan if I insert Mechanical file By Shared Coordinates it is located only on 1 of the 3 buildings. How can I do Acquire so that it is located on all 3 buildings? 

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So, you placed three copies of the same Revit link architecture file on the site? Instead, create three different architecture link files, as they are different buildings with distinct coordinates.

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Message 3 of 21

Yes, but it is the same building with distinct coordinates. And in the future this Site Plan and Arch files will be sent by another company which will do Publish Coordinates to this buildings. I only link this arch file to my mechanical file, work there and acquire coordinates. After then I want to link my mechanical file on Site Plan by shared coordinates.

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@r_lujanski707 wrote:

Hi, I have 3 revit files: Site Plan, Architecture and Mechanical. Architecture file located on Site model in 3 different places. I placed them in 3 different places and did Publish Coordinates. Then I opened Mechanical file, inserted Architecture model there and did Acquire Coordinates from this linked model. Now on Site Plan if I insert Mechanical file By Shared Coordinates it is located only on 1 of the 3 buildings. How can I do Acquire so that it is located on all 3 buildings? 




 

https://help.autodesk.com/view/RVT/2025/ENU/?guid=GUID-DB7B3853-AE5B-47CC-921C-5C962ACA8C22

 

PLUS! 

 

Help | View and Create Named Positions | Autodesk

 

Help | Move a Link Instance to a Named Position | Autodesk

Message 5 of 21
ToanDN
in reply to: r_lujanski707

Save 3 locations of the arch model to 3 different shared coordinates in the site model and acquire each shared coordinates to each instance of the mech model.

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My 2 pennies...

 

The description of what you'd like to accomplish, using one design model with multiple locations, using shared coordinates is at odds with how it works with files of multiple disciplines. It works fine as described in replies for one discipline model.

 

Revit permits us to iterate through the possible orientations it will be used on site while editing the design model itself. In the discipline design model we can work in only one site location set "current" at a time. If you had four locations like shown in one of the replies you can make any one of those four locations "current" but you can't show all of them in a view at the same time, within the design model.

 

This means to do realistic documentation for a specific location we probably need to do that in the site model so the actual site conditions are possible to document with multiple views. That can't be done in the individual design file(s) unless you set a location current and print/export..repeat x times, which you'll see in a moment isn't practical.

 

The discipline files can be linked into each other and the saved named locations can be asserted but they don't respond to each other's Site Location setting. If I work in the Arch model and set Location 2 current. The Mechanical model will be shifted out of position and it will be necessary to change its Site Settings to be Location 2 in order to move it back into alignment. Anyone familiar with the behavior of hosted elements (faced based) will recoil at the idea that their hosted elements may now be orphaned.

 

I would link both Arch and Mech models in once and place them together at their first location. Then I'd use Publish Coordinates on both of them and rename their Named Location (Location 01 or A for example). Then I'd copy both models together to their second location and use Publish Coordinates again, duplicate/rename the second location and repeat until done. The arch and mech models are now located on site where I've decided they should go. Keeping in mind I can also adjust the elevation by moving them up/down in an elevation or section view and that will also be published to their named locations.

 

In the Arch model I'd link the Mech model in using Auto - Internal Origin to Origin, since that orientation should be suitable for working through the design and not really affected by site conditions. IF I need to show a different orientation (location) in the architecture model then I can use Site Settings to set one of the Named Locations current. After doing so for the arch model I have to do the same for the mech linked model. As I wrote before, this runs the risk of creating orphans of any hosted content in the models.

 

The site model can be linked into the individual discipline models using By Shared Coordinates (Default Site) since the site is the site and it doesn't vary, the buildings vary in location on the site and that's what is saved/defined in each named location in them. The site will rotate automatically when the Named Location is changed in the active file but the linked Mechanical model won't because it's location has to be changed manually via its properties Site Settings.

 

The notion of linking the mechanical file back into the site model via shared coordinates is irrelevant since they were placed in the correct location during the earlier process. We can select each copy of the link and use Site Settings to assign their named location but that isn't really necessary for the site model to work.


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@r_lujanski707 wrote:

Hi, I have 3 revit files: Site Plan, Architecture and Mechanical. Architecture file located on Site model in 3 different places. I placed them in 3 different places and did Publish Coordinates. Then I opened Mechanical file, inserted Architecture model there and did Acquire Coordinates from this linked model. Now on Site Plan if I insert Mechanical file By Shared Coordinates it is located only on 1 of the 3 buildings. How can I do Acquire so that it is located on all 3 buildings? 


 

Wait a minute. Is the issue that a Nested Link isn't showing up? If so, open Parent, select Link and, under its Type Properties, set its Reference Type to Attachment.   

 

 https://help.autodesk.com/view/RVT/2022/ENU/?guid=GUID-F8929030-3D77-4F7B-A01F-3C88C600466E 

 

 

Message 9 of 21
r_lujanski707
in reply to: ToanDN

And how can I acquire for example Mech (right side) from Arch (right side), Mech (left side) from Arch (left side)?

Message 10 of 21

As you see I have 3 different locations for Building on my Site Plan. I can insert them by shared coordinates and revit always asks which instance I want to insert (Building - A, Building - B, Building - C). Then I have Mech file that has Location: Mech - A. And in this file I acquire coordinates from Arch model. After then when I insert Mech file on Site Plan by shared coordinates it is located only on Building - A. How can I do so that when I link Mech file revit asks me which Mech location I want, Mech - A, Mech - B or Mech - C.

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Thank you, I copied my Mech file from building A to building B and C. And after then I publish coordinates to this links (Mech - B and Mech - C). In this case I can link mech files by shared coordinates. But is there another method by using Acquire function in my Mech file?

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Just post your Site , Arch and Mech Projects (RVTs) here and we'll return an exact solution instead of educated guesses.  

Message 13 of 21

There are 3 files: Site Plan, Architecture and Mechanical. 

Message 14 of 21
ToanDN
in reply to: r_lujanski707


@r_lujanski707 wrote:

And how can I acquire for example Mech (right side) from Arch (right side), Mech (left side) from Arch (left side)?


Steps:

- Create Site model, Arch model, Mech model

- Open Site > Link Arch in > Copy to 3 locations

- Select Arch link at location 1 > Acquire Coordinates > Save as Location 1 shared coordinates

- Select Arch link at location 2 > Acquire Coordinates > Save as Location 2 shared coordinates (use Duplicate button)

- Select Arch link at location 3 > Acquire Coordinates > Save as Location 3 shared coordinates (use Duplicate button)

- Save Site model and say yes when Revit asks you to save locations back to Arch model

- Open Mech model > Link Arch in Auto center to center > copy Arch link to 3 random locations

- Select Arch link at location 1 > Acquire Coordinates > Move Instance to > select Location 1 from list

- Select Arch link at location 2 > Acquire Coordinates > Move Instance to > select Location 2 from list

- Select Arch link at location 3 > Acquire Coordinates > Move Instance to > select Location 3 from list

 

Done.

Attached are sample 2024 models.

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My assumption: I want to create one Arch model to do design work in and then place it in multiple locations on site so we can work out the overall site development. A Mech model is required for this one building design. That means we only need to link Arch model to the Mech model using Internal Origin to Internal Origin since the building model doesn't "know" it is being used in multiple locations on site, nor does it "care".

 

While working in the Mech model I don't need to see the other orientations of the Arch model because that is only relevant when viewed on Site within one of the copies of the Arch model. I understand there are Mech design elements that are outside the building (condensers/HVAC units) that might need to be visible in the site model so we need a way to place them with the buildings on site.

 

I don't understand why I would need to see the other locations while working in the Mech model. If I did need to see the SITE elements surrounding my Arch or Mech design then I'd link the Site model into each discipline model. In that situation I'd want to be able to link it by shared coordinates. Then I'd be able to change the Named Location in the Arch or Mech models to see how the SITE changes around my single design, since that's what really changes not the building or my Mech design.

 

If what I wrote above is consistent with your end goals then what I wrote earlier is appropriate for setting out the project file relationships. A site model with a single A and M model placed at location one, publish to both models, copy models to location 2 and publish, repeat until all locations are defined. Then in the A model or M model you can link the Site model by shared coordinates and use any named location to see how the site changes around your design. In this context the A/M models don't change the site does.

 

Keep in mind that if your project is hosted by BIM360/ACC then Publish Coordinates is "off the table", not possible. It is necessary to use Acquire Coordinates only. In that circumstance I define all locations in the site model (with a building location marker family) and link the site model to each discipline model and place it in alignment with location 1 and Acquire Coordinates. All the other locations can be cycled through for evaluation in the discipline models too.


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barthbradley
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@ToanDN wrote:

- Open Site > Link Arch in > Copy to 3 locations

- Select Arch link at location 1 > Acquire Coordinates > Save as Location 1 shared coordinates

 

Acquire Coordinates?  Change the Survey Origin of the Site Plan?  

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@r_lujanski707 wrote:

There are 3 files: Site Plan, Architecture and Mechanical. 


I wanted to see your RVTs - not more pictures.  

Message 18 of 21

Thank you very much. Copy both Arch and Mech files and publish coordinates is a very good option!

Message 19 of 21
r_lujanski707
in reply to: ToanDN

Thank you for you advice and revit files. As I saw in Mech File I can work at 3 building at the same time. But I have 3 big buildings and I wanted to work at one building. Is it possible?

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To acquire coordinates from an architectural model, you can follow these simple steps:

  1. Use Design Software: If your model is in software like AutoCAD, SketchUp, or Revit, these programs often have built-in tools to extract coordinates easily.

  2. Select the Object: Click on the specific element (like a wall, door, or window) in your model that you want coordinates for.

  3. Check Properties Panel: Look for the properties panel or inspector window in your software. This usually shows the coordinates of the selected object.

  4. Export Options: Some software allows you to export the model or specific elements to formats like CSV or Excel, where you can view the coordinates in a more organized way.

  5. Use Measurement Tools: If you’re working with a physical model, you can use a measuring tape or a laser distance measurer to get precise coordinates.

  6. Manual Input: If all else fails, you can manually jot down the coordinates as you measure them, ensuring you note the reference point clearly.

By following these steps, you can easily gather the coordinates you need for your architectural model. If you need further assistance, don't hesitate to reach out!

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