2019 new features

Anonymous · ‎04-14-2018

One more year and it's very disappointing. Those new features should be named patches or service pack for 2018 ..... When are we going to see something significant? having tabs is good but come on....it takes one year to have tabs?....why not a very good improvement in stairs and railings? .....see your competition (Archicad 21) at this rate Revit is going to match it in stairs and railings in about 5 years.

If Autodesk wants to justify subscription fees they have to do a lot more than wasting everybody's time...Please, Mr.Dictator(Autodesk) could you really work hard for once for your thousands of clients that pay every month /years a lot of money to you to get something back.?

You make think more than twice if I should keep using your products.

Fernando Lino (one more unhappy user)

RobDraw · ‎04-14-2018

So. if you have ideas about how they can improve the software, you can post in the ideas forum.

Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.

barthbradley · ‎04-14-2018

FYI @Anonymous: Nobody likes being told they have an ugly baby. You're posting to a Revit User's Forum. Most of us are here are committed and passionate about the product. If you want to start comparing Revit to Archicad: it's six of one; half dozen of another. We here have picked Revit. We are aware of it's strengths, as well as its shortcomings; but we still think we have the prettier baby of the two.

BTW: our baby learned to do some new stuff in 2019. Ain't it grand!?

Anonymous · ‎04-14-2018

Technically speaking, "the dictator", doesn't work on the Revit development team. Probably doesn't even know how to use the tool.

Something significant? Tabbed views and multi monitor support aren't significant? Double patterns and OR filters not significant? I would argue the broader community would strongly disagree with you there considering the items listed above all came from some of the HIGHEST voted ideas on the Revit Ideas Forum. Did you vote?

Because you prefer to create a user ID just to complain about things you don't know much about rather than perhaps join the Feedback community and participate in improving some of these tools you wouldn't know how long it takes to develop an enhancement. The people behind the scenes work very hard, with almost weekly deadlines to research, prepare, test, debug, retest, and test some more, to give the community tools they asked for.

I suppose when you design a building you get it right the first time, with no changes after schematic design? Consultants must like you very much.

I am also guessing you won't be thrilled to hear that the Revit Roadmap last year indicated that railing and baluster modification improvements was taking a back seat to allow for development in other key areas...

I wrote this post to the development team a few days ago... you might take note of my postscript comment, can't please everyone, right?

Anonymous · ‎04-15-2018

I picked Autodesk since Autocad 10 and 3ds max when was in D.O.S when I was in college ....as soon as I worked independently I picked Autodesk again buying Autocad & Revit (over $4,500) and 3ds Viz at the time ($1,900) if I remember well...Then I upgraded to 3ds max.

I paid my upgrades as maintenance fee and now they want I move to a subscription fee and the investment that I did just disappear.

I'm one of the users here that pay every year, I'm not the user who works for the guy who is paying the bill and I want to see speed in development like it used to be...Before you, had service pack 1,2,3 and patches 2-3 a year with new features now we have to wait for a year to see tabs and sections in 3D.

The comparison between Revit and Archicad has been and will be around for years but the difference is Graphisoft is doing a much better job with way fewer resources.

What is the priority here? As I said before with that rate of improvements Autodesk is dropping the ball big time.....I'm part of other communities (Vray render and more) and I can see the same frustration every day in forums....nobody is happy with the products, the only reason why they still using them is they already spend thousands of dollars like me in assets and plug-ins and permanent subscription and they have the hope (me too) that the next release is going to be a good one.... but you wait for a year and this happens.

Good for the user that needs that little to be happy with the product.

Fernando

Anonymous · ‎04-15-2018

the double monitor could be good for you but to be honest, that feature should be released 2-3 years ago... Again, with the ratio of improvements is very disappointed....the point here, they are behind and you want to see it....I'm a fan of Autodesk but I'm losing it and I expect from Autodesk to be ahead and It's behind Graphisoft regarding BIM.

When they took over Mental ray .....they were behind as well from all the "small" companies...now Arnold is the next victim.

I have a license of T-splines for Rhino....they took over T-splines to be used in Mechanical desktop and Fusion and they pretty much killed it for rhino.

They took over Softimage and Maya to monopolized the 3d industry... Softimage is dead.

They took over softdesk and Architectural desktop born then they realized that they need something better to compete with Archicad and they took over Revit. There is a pattern here, acquisitions instead improve what they have.

Don't be surprised if one day Revit is replaced with another acquisition.

RobDraw · ‎04-15-2018

@Anonymouswrote:
I'm part of other communities (Vray render and more) and I can see the same frustration every day in forums....nobody is happy with the products

Everything else in that post is extraneous information and does not add any merit to your message.

This part actually reveals the real problem. It's not software development. It's people. If the same complaints can be applied to all that software, the problem is not the software development. It's people's perceptions of how it should develop. Let's, just second, look at that statement that says nobody is happy. You are working from bad data. Namely, the people that are having trouble with the product(s). You are forgetting that for everyone of those people at the forums, there are many more that don't have any problems. This forum actually contradicts your statement, as most are happy with the product(s). Plus, some people just like to complain. Complaints that say nothing but "not enough new features" posted in a user help forum is going to actually send the wrong message. Complaints posted here, in a user help forum, not a feature request forum which, by the way, drove some of the new features, are meaningless and sometimes even met with resistance as you can see.

Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.

scott_d_davis · ‎04-15-2018

One must remember, each yearly numbered version of Revit is no longer the culmination of a year's worth of development. Since Revit 2018 came out in April of 2018, there was 2018.1, 2018.2, and 2018.3, each with new tools, functionality, and features. These "point" releases occur about once a quarter (every 3 months). So the release of Revit 2019 is actually the efforts from about the past 3 months worth of development and testing. (See the Revit Help file, in the What's New section, to see all that has been added in all the point releases since the last yearly version: http://help.autodesk.com/view/RVT/2018/ENU/?guid=GUID-C81929D7-02CB-4BF7-A637-9B98EC9EB38B) Sometimes a new tool or feature is started and takes more than 3 months to produce, and will eventually make it into a future point release, or yearly release of Revit. Revit development now happens in "Agile Development Sprints". (more info about Agile explained here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agile_software_development)

Ultimately, the yearly numbered version is just a name. What really matters is the build number...there is new build of Revit created every hour of every day, 24/7. The biggest difference between the yearly releases is the fact that the file format is updated.

Scott D Davis
Sr AEC Technical Specialist

Anonymous · ‎04-15-2018

they are very happy with Vray ....they are not happy about 3ds Max of course. The complaint is regarding all the Autodesk products in general.

The comments are the same that I'm pointing out for Revit. The new versions don't have significant improvements.....they look like patches.

Let's say you own a license like the old days where you pay to upgrade to the new version...If they come to me, hey!!! you have to pay let's say $500 to be upgraded and by the way, now you have tabs and double texture. Would you upgrade it? and you have 10 seats.....I don't think so, I would wait for the next version or like it used to be, Autodesk would put more effort to have something great so everyone wants to do it.

barthbradley · ‎04-15-2018

Learn to love the Subscription Business Model. It's here to stay. And, it ain't just Autodesk.

...ironic; I just got back from visiting the Archicad Users Forum. Some users are complaining over there too; talking about the inadequacies of the product compared to Revit. Ha! I guess you just pick your poison -- or, make lemonade; depending on how you're wired.

GA-LT · ‎04-17-2018

Totally agree with Fernando Lino,

this software has tremendous potential and why THEY want waste this? So many serious problems not solved for so many years. For example 8 years ago official answer: A resolution for this incident is being investigated for a future release. Unfortunately there are not a lot of good workarounds for this issue. Now we have 2019 version and it's not solved!

Is anybody there who is responsible for such situations or it's simply intentional policy of the monopolist?

Generally Revit is one huge workaround. Walls, stairs, railings and many more not working properly. To have good looking documentation in most cases we need to remake it in AutoCAD which is not cooperating too good with Revit (as I know it is the same company ............. or maybe I'm wrong). Last week exporting to *.dwg just made me crazy - WYSIWYG is just theory. So many stupid little things which makes me thinking that this software is developing by children and not by professionals.

Sorry for that but conferences all over the world and nice start screens and logos are not enough.

Love Revit anyway.

Regards

ToanDN · ‎04-17-2018

@GA-LT wrote:

For example 8 years ago official answer: A resolution for this incident is being investigated for a future release. Unfortunately there are not a lot of good workarounds for this issue. Now we have 2019 version and it's not solved!

What incident?

IMCornish · ‎04-17-2018

I am strongly support your point of view and the others here who have missed your point should realise that I am a committed Revit user and have been for almost 10 years but it seems to me that nothing significant is ever added or improved year on year, even the add ins fail. Site Designer is a good example. Of course Autodesk were not the originators of Revit, they bought it but continue to favour AutoCAD which just gets more and more complicated and irrelevant. Where else would you post this but to the Revit forum, a shame you other readers are blinkered! To date I have posted 3 issues that have already arisen with Revit 2019 just trying to get it to work, yes I am frustrated but will not be turning to AutoCAD.

Andrew Robertson
Chartered Architect
Robertson Partnership
Truro. UK

RobDraw · ‎04-17-2018

You all need another forum for complaints. This is a user help forum where people come for, or to, help.

Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.

dgorsman · ‎04-17-2018

I would remind everyone that adding or changing a program this complex is nowhere near a "click-click-done" process. There is an extensive amount of work necessary to get simple (at least, from the users standpoint) things done, within the existing constrictions of the program while not breaking things users are already doing. In some cases that actually has to be violated, with existing features backed out or no longer supported in order to implement more complete solutions. That involves it's own set of development delays, evaluating which path will be most beneficial.

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IMCornish · ‎04-18-2018

Autodesk appear to manage this OK with AutoCAD and its derivatives!

Andrew Robertson
Chartered Architect
Robertson Partnership
Truro. UK

IMCornish · ‎04-18-2018

The definition of Forum is .... "Public medium or place used for debates in which anyone can participate." Therefore complaints, as you term them, are allowable. But I would remind you that I am not complaining but expressing my disappointment that Revit has hardly moved on whilst AutoCAD has.

Andrew Robertson
Chartered Architect
Robertson Partnership
Truro. UK

Anonymous · ‎04-18-2018

@IMCornishwrote:
that Revit has hardly moved on whilst AutoCAD has.

Ok, now you have my curiosity. Two questions...

1. What would have had to have been fixed or enhanced or new tools introduced for Revit 2019 that would have made you satisfied?

2. What on earth are the new features that have happened in AutoCAD in the last 5 years, that lead you to believe the above comment?!

RobDraw · ‎04-18-2018

@Anonymouswrote:
the double monitor could be good for you but to be honest, that feature should be released 2-3 years ago...

Do you really think they were holding on to it for 2 or 3 years? That's really a matter of speculation about when they were capable of it without any proof.

@Anonymouswrote:
Don't be surprised if one day Revit is replaced with another acquisition.

You're stating the obvious. Of course, it will eventually be replaced.

Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.

chrisplyler · ‎04-18-2018

@AnonymousI fully agree with your position.

However, that fact that something has to go on the back burner is a clue to understanding the problem. Autodesk COULD double the size of the development team and get more stuff done faster. Maybe give us tabs, multi-monitor, double patterns AND improved stairs and rails, huh?