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Insert Constraint Lock Rotation

Insert Constraint Lock Rotation

I want the option to lock the rotation when using the insert constraint

 

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82 Comments
DRoam
Mentor

Yay! Thank you, @philip.s! Glad this is back in the running.

 

Xun.Zhang
Alumni

Some possible solutions for this idea are currently under discussion on the NDA based Inventor Feedback/Beta forums. If you would like to contribute/validate then please apply for access using this link:

 

https://bit.ly/InventorBeta

 

Thanks,
Xun

dan_szymanski
Autodesk
Status changed to: Accepted

Accepted idea [543]. Thanks!

Anonymous
Not applicable

Thanks Autodesk to accept this brilliant idea, i hope the lock orientation check box will be default "on" in the Insert constraint.

 

S-

SteveMDennis
Autodesk

@Anonymous

I don't know that we have determined a default for this option yet, generally we default new options to legacy behavior which would be off but we are discussing it.

Ben-Cornelius
Collaborator

I think making it persist is ok for day to day usage as long as it persists when relanuching inventor. My main concern is fasteners from content center personally ideally there could be an option on the family so this is saved and enforced through out the company if desired therefore as well no need to republish them all

Ben-Cornelius
Collaborator

Yes exactly you would need to apply to a part publish it and rebuild the family to get this option automatically that is alot of work to ask companies to do we have alot of families of fasteners. What I am saying is if there was an option saved with the family instead so it would add the lock all though that does not address the fasteners aready extracted and saved so a utility for that would be good

Xun.Zhang
Alumni

@Ben-Cornelius

It might be best if we continue this conversation on our Alpha/Beta forum.  

 

One thought is to consider honoring any iMate set as locked.  So if 1/2 of a iMate combination is set as locked, both will lock.

So no need to do anything for existing contents.

Ben-Cornelius
Collaborator

Ok now very confused are you saying that it will have imate on lock as default and all legacy imates will have lock on? Thats the only way you would not have to rebuild the families? But this would be dangerous as there could be imates used for other things but from how iam reading this you are not saying that you are repeating what you said before which I said I understand what you are not addressing is having to republish and rebuild the families to get this option and the parts already extracted out. 

Xun.Zhang
Alumni

@Ben-Cornelius
Hi Ben,
Are you talking about making lock rotation for legacy data after migration? as Steve said in previous thread, we probably not touch any legacy data, in other words, all legacy data is remaining the same as what it was.

 

What I was talking is about forward creation. if you create a new part with half of iMate, then, make lock rotation option ON. Once place content to such normal part, lock rotation is created automatically. 

 

The way is try to limit extra actions for contents to add lock rotation property, user can define the iMate in main part as Lock rotation ON.

Ben-Cornelius
Collaborator

Yes I agree legacy data should not be touched but for content center fasteners there should be an option. So let me start again so currently in content center there are fasters with imates with out the lock on in order to add this I would have to take a part apply it publish it to the content center then re build the family so what iam saying is there should be away of adding with out have to rebuild all the families also applying to the fasteners already extracted and saved. I am repeating myself if not understood please pass along to steve

dan_szymanski
Autodesk
Status changed to: Implemented

This idea has been implemented within Autodesk Inventor 2019. Special thanks to everyone who cast a vote for it.  A "Lock Rotation" option is now available when placing or editing an insert constraint within an assembly.

dusan.naus.trz
Advisor

Hi all

Insert Constraint Lock Rotation does not work for Content Center. Why?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AO_xjLtct8&feature=youtu.be

dusan.naus.trz
Advisor

Insert Constraint Lock Rotation does not work for Bolted Connection. Why?

dan_szymanski
Autodesk

Hello @dusan.naus.trz,

When you place a Content Center Bolt using the iMate placement methodology, you can edit the iMate (as long as it is an insert) after it is placed and toggle the Lock Rotation option.  We are looking into extending the same behavior for iMates leveraged within bolted connections.  Thank you for bringing it to our attention.

-Dan

Anonymous
Not applicable

for cylindrical component we have cylindrical joint command, if use with mate and limits its start and end angle let say 45 degree , i get the result. but it seems workaround for me.

 

as a Inventor user if i have insert constraint command along with locking rotation option.  i would also like to have an option at which degree i want to lock it.

DRoam
Mentor

Hi @Anonymous. If you need to constrain at a specific angle, that's what the Angle constraint is purpose-built for. I would recommend using that rather than the insert constraint's "lock" function.

SteveMDennis
Autodesk

@Anonymous I agree with @DRoam here. The algorithm for locking is already a bit "secret" in that we don't give you guys control over what gets locked together really. We are just guaranteeing we are removing the rotational degree of freedom. To do anymore would require a bunch more picks from you.

For your request we would have to ask you which geometry you wanted to be locked at 45 degrees for example and the direction of one edge might be opposite of what you think internally so maybe instead of 45 degrees you really needed to say -315...

the much more reliable way to accomplish this in constraints is with an insert and a separate angle constraint. We have no current plans in add angle to lock constraint.

DRoam
Mentor

I was just constraining a dowel pin in a hole and needed to use a flush constraint to control the longitudinal position, and therefore had to use an Axial mate constraint rather than an Insert constraint to constrain it axially. This meant I could not lock the rotation as I can with the Insert constraint now. So I had to create an unnecessary Angle constraint just to get it fully constrained.

 

So, that prompted me to finally create a request to get the same "Lock rotation" option for the Axial constraint. This is just as useful as having it in the Insert constraint, for situations such as the one I described above.

 

If you too would like to see this added, please consider adding your vote here: Lock rotation for axial constraint. Thanks!

dusan.naus.trz
Advisor

Hello,

I've been waiting for this since version (2019). 3 versions have already passed and the iMate Lock Rotation function is nowhere to be seen. My last comment in the year (09-15-2018 02:45 PM) But time flies and functions are not on the horizon.

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/inventor-ideas/lock-rotation-for-insert-imate/idc-p/10298819#M42137

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