What are the Unique sheetmetal Features that are available in Inventor

What are the Unique sheetmetal Features that are available in Inventor

Aadithya01
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What are the Unique sheetmetal Features that are available in Inventor

Aadithya01
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Ours is a region with full of Sheetmetal and Foudry industries . .

 

So these are the two major areas that we focus . And customers have always been asking me this and  of course Fusion 360 is going to come with a bang . But still it has a long way to go to have fully fledged features of Inventor Sheetmetal . 

 

.But " What are the unique sheetmetal features that are available in Inventor compared to Solidworks , Unigraphics , Pro E ?" 

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Message 2 of 23

Anonymous
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What I've seen from Sheetmetal in Inventor does not impress me. I have been using Solid Edge for years to do professional sheetmetal design. Even then I noticed that the sheetmetal shops themselves used even more dedicated tools. So, honestly, don't think you're on the best track.

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Cadmanto
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What version of Inventor are we talking about?

 

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/inventor-products/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2017...

 

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/inventor-products/getting-started/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/20...

 

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johnsonshiue
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Hi! There are similarities and differences among these tools. We have many customers using Sheet Metal workflows to design Sheet Metal parts. Inventor is able to unfold developable 3d part with uniform thickness into flat pattern. Also you can add features in flat pattern as a post process. In folded mode, you can unfold a bend and refold it back. It is also capable of creating rolled shape and unrolling it to get the unrolled length. If you want more information, feel free to go to www.autodesk.com/products/inventor/overview or knowledge.autodesk.com. The best thing to do is to try it yourself. You will be the judge to see if it works for you.

Many thanks!



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Aadithya01
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I am working as an application Engineer at Coimbatore , India .. Here we have two sectors Foundries and Sheetmetal Industries.. 

 

So I wanted to make sure how Sheetmetal module is rated in the real world and just wanted to know the unique features of sheetmetal in Inventor so that I could highlight those to the customers @Anonymous ..Thanks for the heads up ...  Also thanks for the Sheetmetal enhancement link @Cadmanto

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johnsonshiue
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Hi Alex,

 

Inventor Sheet Metal has room for improvement for sure. Could you elaborate on the uninspiring part of it? For Solid Edge, what do you like about it and what is missing in Inventor Sheet Metal?

Many thanks!

 



Johnson Shiue (johnson.shiue@autodesk.com)
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Mark.Lancaster
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@Anonymous

 

To go along with @johnsonshiue posting...

 

I would also like to know is your opinion solely based on your experience with Solidedge (stating you have used it for years) compared to your experience in Inventor.  Meaning how long have you been using Inventor Sheet Metal and were you formal trained in it?

 

In the end I know many end users who need Inventor sheet metal for their business or as your put it "professional sheetmetal design".  So there's 2 sides..  Smiley Very Happy

 

Also I don't want my reply to sound like I'm discrediting your opinion and thought about Inventor sheet metal.  You too have a valid input in this discussion and perhaps you can pass along some other ideas to @johnsonshiue   Smiley Wink

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mdavis22569
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Are there features you're not able to do that the others are able to do?

 

I can say this ..if you know of improvements ADSK, Johnson and others read and watch the forums for enhancements.

 

Throw them on the Idea forum and if it's possible you just might see it in a version or update.

 

I think that's one of the unique features (maybe not just for Inventor) but in general.. 


You don't see this as much with the other software's in my opinion.

 

Just my 2 cents


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Anonymous
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Chaps,

 

I have to be honest on this. One : not doing sheetmetal anymore in my day-to-day work, only did a steel sheetmetal staircase for a friend 2 years ago. Second : on the job we are never on the last version of Inventor, a policy that probably is present in lot of big companies : work on proven and stable software.

 

What I like(d) in SE (based on 2007 release ! ) : user friendly, understands what you want to do and takes the job out of your hands. Some examples :

  • Create a box. Draw a rectangle to make the top surface. Go to flange, click on the corner edge where you want to begin, draw a straight line and let the flange be created, running as far as you want. Auto creation of the bending radius. Options to have the original rectangle be the overall outside dimension, the finished inside dimension or the flat face (all bends outside). On top of that you can choose the corner prep and finish. A rectangular cutout or round cutout. Closing the corners of the flanges is a matter of clicking on an option. Flange does not need to be 90°, flange can be several lines, no need to round for bends. So you can make a box in 2 steps. All along you have the option to follow general bend rules of the file or to insist on special parameters for a particular bend.
  • "sheetmetal cut". Take a bent part. Access it from any angle. Draw the shape you want to cut out and cut. Software makes sure that the sheet is cut perpendicular and that the right portions are cut out in flat in order to leave the right space when bent. Particularly useful when doing "my staircase" because I had lots of trapezium-shaped steps (that were already profiled elements) that had to fit the shape of the side-supports of the staircase. You cut the finished element and that's it.
  • Cut in assembly. Together with the above it is a "no-fuzz" job to prepare the final elements. All the "difficult" steps were first assembled and then cut, based on the situation they were in. Cuts in assembly reflect back to the individual parts. In present IV still a problem.
  • Adaptive bends. Create a flange to an approximate form. After that you can "order it" to contact either itself or another part in assembly. Flange will adapt to do so.

These are only a few examples.

 

Have worked on ProE sheetmetal also. To make a very short conclusion : ProE had more possibilities (unbend 3D-shapes for instance) but was lacking user friendliness.

 

A plus on SE was that I could give the flattened DXF contours to the sheetmetal shops and they agreed on the quality. Of course they ran a test before and we had to agree on bend radius, neutral line ... and so on, but the fact that they were confident in the parts means that it worked as desired.

 

At the time of my conclusion and statement "not Inventor" I found that IV was a decade behind of the point were I left SE. IV could have made a jump leap since then. If so, forgive me.

 

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johnsonshiue
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Hi Alex,

 

I appreciate your honest feedback. There have been changes in Inventor Sheet Metal in the past few years addressing the issues you raised here.

 

1. This should be doable in Inventor. Contour Flange and Contour Roll only require line sketch. Bends are created automatically based on Bend rules. The ability has been there for many years.

2. The ability to cut normal to flange face has been there for a few years already. You can also unfold the sheet metal part partially for modeling purpose and refold it back.

3. This generally applies to all assembly features, not sheet metal part exclusive. If you need to drill holes, you can use Bolted Connection and the holes will be pushed into individual participating pieces. Also Inventor Sheet Metal supports multi-solid modeling. Essentially, you can create a sheet metal assembly using a part. Then push individual bodies as parts in an assembly. Then you can add weld beads in the assembly or perform any assembly-level operation.

4. Without the exact context, it is hard to tell what level of adaptivity SE can do. I believe the same can be done in Inventor using Contour Flange consuming an Adaptive sketch. The ability has been there for many years.

 

We are actively identifying room for improvement in Inventor Sheet Metal. If you see anything, please let us know.

Many thanks!

 



Johnson Shiue (johnson.shiue@autodesk.com)
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Aadithya01
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Hey @johnsonshiue

 

My colleague is a Solidworks user. He has done a couple of projects especially by using sheetmetal modules and he had asked me if there is break corner option in Inventor .. It is a fantastic tool which recognises the sharp corners of a sheetmetal design and automatically chamfers them to a value that we need .. 

 

Try to develop that option in Inventor 

 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/preview-functionality/request-for-break-corner-option-in-fusion-360/m...

 

Kindly see the above link which I have posted where you will get an idea for what option I'm requesting for

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Anonymous
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Johnson,

 

This is the stair I was talking about. Looks simple. Was also relatively easy to make (in SE Smiley Happy). You tell me how you would handle it, there are some tricky features not obvious from the picture, I'm curious.

 

First part was design, but that's what my job is. The stairwell was to be built in a corner, so it had to be angled. I was limited in the angled extension where it starts on floor level and the long run up needed a midway platform on defined height to give access to an intermediate level in the building. The guy's daughter, studying architecture, had given it a go but she couldn't make it "real" enough. The left angle turn was also designed as a straight angle, which gives you a stair that is impossible to climb in the inside corner. So the "break" in the corner was absolutely necessary. The dark grey "stuff" you see on top of part of the stair in the picture was a help-part to check that the turn in the stair had a gradual change of level with more or less equal sized flats to step on.

 

The steps have 3 bends : one under the flat to give it strength and a 2-step end for strength and to create a stop for your feet. Straight steps are easy, the ones in the corner are lofted flanges. They were pre-designed oversized.

 

The sides of the stairwell were shaped and cut in bent form to get exact dimensions and to keep left and right side level, even if they are shaped differently. They were also first designed as one huge part, to be split in separate parts afterwards. First split was functional for assembly : stairs could not be transported or put in their location if they would have been one part. Second reason is sheet size : you can't go beyond what fits on one sheet.

 

The fun part starts when finishing the steps around the bend. For this I put the lot in assembly - of course by using reference planes instead of faces and edges - and used the sides of the stair to cut the steps. In SE this reflects back to the individual parts. To ease assembly the entire construction is also aligned with "tabs and slots". Each step has small tabs on the ends, the sides of the stair has slots where the tabs fit in. The slots in the sides "listen" to the position of the tabs on the steps.

 

The whole setup was "intelligently" parametric. I had to play with the dimensions of the steps to get a smooth running stair. I changed the size of the "angle cut-off" in the inside of the bend to make the cutback on the steps not over-complicated. I had to tweak the tab-to-slot position because you don't want slots across a bend since this would distort the functioning.

 

The stair has been constructed, based on the flattened files I provided, temporarely been installed and should meanwhile have been disassembled and sent out for coating.

 

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SBix26
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Looks like a great application for multi-body master modeling (if metal thicknesses are all the same), or skeletal modeling, or some combination of the two.  Wish I had time to tackle it, but I don't.

Sam B

Inventor Professional 2017.3.1
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Anonymous
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How "create sheet metal from solid" doesn't exist is a mystery to me. NX and Solidworks has this feature and it is very convenient when creating sheet metal which has its base shape derived from a solid.

 

Sure this can be done, but it requires several unnessesary steps. Create sketches, project edges, delete solid, create face, create another face, select bend etc etc.

 

I would love this feature and it would make our work much easier. We currently switch one of our sites from an old nx ideas install which has had this for 10-20 years? In sheet metal for our company it is probably the most used feature.

 

/J

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kpyoung333
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I use the sheetmetal tools everyday and it gets the job done and I can export to dxf for plasma cutter, calculate bend lines, determine material weight, animate components for clash detection, stress analysis, renderings, videos, pdf prints, all sorts of stuff. In my opinion it all depends on what else you are trying to do with the program. If you are only going to do sheetmetal and nothing else I'm sure the companies that focus on only that will have some specialty bend/cut tools. If you are looking for a program that is flexible for any application and able to transition into other programs for further analysis or simulation Inventor is awesome. I used Solidworks in college before Inventor bought HSM works to do CNC stuff and I hated the limitations. For example you have to setup all of the parameters and do things by the book in sequence or things get messed up. With Inventor I can go crazy and design many different ways to get different results and if you need to cut some steps out you can and just reattach things where Solidworks you have to go back to the beginning (maybe not but it definitely wasn't friendly to someone who had been using AutoCAD for ten years, totally different way of organization and design flow). The freedom Inventor provides to design anything is where the real power comes in. Having many huge forums of support where people are eager to help and improve the product is something to consider. I have a feeling (unsupported just optimistic) that AutoDesk has a few sheetmetal ideas up their sleeve that they will roll out in the future and swamp the competition. Better to get on board now than try to jump ships later. Plus who needs to bend metal when you can just do this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9pknU0zv9c&vl=en

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johnsonshiue
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Hi @Aadithya01

 

I had taken a look at the video and the idea. It looks very nice. It is a good productivity enhancement tool. Indeed, Inventor does not have this automated workflow. Nor can Inventor change Corner Chamfer to Corner Round or vice versa. It requires extra mouse-clicks in Inventor to get the same result in Inventor right now. I have forwarded the idea to project team for further investigation. Many thanks for sharing the idea!

 

Hi @Anonymous

 

The stair model is a very good example. It would have been a bit difficult to do in Inventor 2015 and earlier without Sheet Metal Multi-Solid Body workflows. Now on 2016 and later, you can create multiple solids in Sheet Metal environment. You can essentially build an assembly in a part (no weldment or assembly features yet). Regarding the curvy piece, in order to make it unfoldable, it will have to be done via Loft Surface and Thicken. Other than that , I am not seeing areas from the picture that Inventor would require extra work to do.

Many thanks!



Johnson Shiue (johnson.shiue@autodesk.com)
Software Test Engineer
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Aadithya01
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Hey @johnsonshiue , 

 

Looking forward to see this feature in the upcoming versions of Inventor .. Many thanks 

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Anonymous
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Sam,

 

This is real life. Of course the thickness is not the same 🙂

 

It was even worse, the guy who asked me to do it chose diamond plate for the steps. So he had to grind bits away for the assembly. If I had known it before I would have provided larger slots...

 

Alex

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Anonymous
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Johnson,

 

The "curvy" piece was never produced. It was only on the stairs in assembly modelling to check the slope and size of the steps when going around the corner. I found it very important not to disturb the natural rhythm of walking. If you ever walked stairs where top and bottom step is different from the rest you will know what I mean.

 

Alex

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Anonymous
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is there any way to change thickness in sheet metal module in Inventor,


@johnsonshiue wrote:

Hi Alex,

 

Inventor Sheet Metal has room for improvement for sure. Could you elaborate on the uninspiring part of it? For Solid Edge, what do you like about it and what is missing in Inventor Sheet Metal?

Many thanks!

 



@johnsonshiue wrote:

Hi Alex,

 

Inventor Sheet Metal has room for improvement for sure. Could you elaborate on the uninspiring part of it? For Solid Edge, what do you like about it and what is missing in Inventor Sheet Metal?

Many thanks!

 



@johnsonshiue wrote:

Hi Alex,

 

Inventor Sheet Metal has room for improvement for sure. Could you elaborate on the uninspiring part of it? For Solid Edge, what do you like about it and what is missing in Inventor Sheet Metal?

Many thanks!

 




Thanks.

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