Testing IPJ Search Path Validity?

phlyx · ‎12-08-2020

We have been having quite a few issues with network response lately and today something happened that makes me think it's not the network or server, it's something in the IPJ search path. There was a part and drawing that were located outside the project's work path that I was working on. I copied the IDW and IPT to my project folder (still on the server). When I opened the part, it popped right open. I did a Save As and saved it as a new part. Was going to do the normal thing, open the IDW, do a Replace Model Reference and point to the new part. When I tried to open the IDW, it was still pointing to the old part that was outside my current project's search path. It took ten minutes to open.... ugh.

I did a Replace Model Reference, saved the IDW, closed it and when I opened that one it opened in about 2 seconds.

Question is, is there a good way to test the validity of search paths in the IPJ? And are there things that should be avoided or done to assure good response when setting up the project IPJ files???

All help greatly appreciated!

phlyx · ‎12-15-2020

Also, another thing I noticed today when testing. Tried to open another assembly and Inventor hung +15 minutes and killed it with task manager. I P&G'ed a different assembly to a folder on the server and using that project file I opened the file from there and opened in 2:15. But I noticed in the status bar that when it hung up for a while, the file name followed by <iLogic>

And after that finished, Inventor hung for a while and in the status bar said <Loading VBA Project>. Just curious if there could be something in the iLogic and VBA that is causing loading to hang. Not sure how to test that.

johan.degreef · ‎12-15-2020

We are a 2 designer company and working also of a network share. It alway went OK. Recently we got 2 new laptops (other settings?) and since then networling on the share is 5-6 times slower as on previous desktops. Copying on the local disk makes it super fast, but has other issues like keeping track of copying files back and foreward.

Inventor 2025, Vault Professional 2025, Autocad Plant 3D 2025

phlyx · ‎12-15-2020

We have the same situation, we have SSD on our local and really fast but can't copy local as we share a lot of files.

Another thing I noticed this morning was tried to open and assembly and after +15 minutes I killed it with task manager. Did a P&G and copied it to a folder in the same server folders, switched to that IPJ and it opened in 2:15. Closed that and switch back to the original IPJ and the same assembly that hung this morning loaded in 2:30. Thought maybe Inventor had cached some files so closed Inventor and tried again. Still opened in 2:30. Totally baffling how first thing this morning waited such a long time to open but now it opens in 2:30.

phlyx · ‎12-16-2020

And not sure what would cause this, but started this morning, opened Inventor, clicked on Projects from the open dialog box and it took almost 30 seconds to open. Seems first thing in the morning things are super s-l-o-w and during the day it gets quicker. 🙄

phlyx · ‎12-16-2020

Rebooted my computer, did the exact same thing and the Project's dialog box opened in 3 seconds. 😲

craig_embry · ‎12-16-2020

As a general rule, I reboot my computer at least once a week and shutdown for at least 3 minutes once a month to clear out memory. Additionally, I restart IV every single day. Letting it run over night and using the next day, I have found, can cause glitches. I run an i7 4Ghz 8 core with SSD and 32GB RAM on desktop with a GF RTX 2060 Super. It does great, but like any computer needs a fresh restart once in a while. I would love to have one of the business modeling graphix cards, such as the quadro, but justifying the cost of that would prove difficult.

I know some use laptops to model, but I recommend desktop for the heat that is generated when modeling is significant and multiple fans help a lot to keep things running smoothly.

Anonymous · ‎12-16-2020

Fun fact, with Windows 10 a restart does a more complete shutdown than shutdown does. I used to shut down every night, but after seeing this I just restart. Neat tidbits to get your ~~Tuesday~~ Wednesday going 😁

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/what-is-the-difference-between-restart-and-shu...

craig_embry · ‎12-16-2020

True, but I guess it is ingrained in thy head from previous OS's going way back. Holding the shift key while rebooting or simply turning off "fast" start should yield the same results for windows 10. I will say the experience of rebooting/shutdowns, I have a lot less problems than if I don't. This may be due to the fact of the software I use rather than windows itself. Good knowledge however, thank you.

phlyx · ‎12-16-2020

When I leave at the end of the day I exit all my app's and restart. Then the next morning "usually" I'm logging into a fresh clean system. So yes, I do restart before running although it's 12 hours before I log back in.

I just rebooted to try to start clean and an assembly I opened early this morning in a couple minutes took 25 minutes to open. I looked at the events log and see a lot of errors within the first 5-10 minutes of powering up. I also looked at the drain on my system when it was trying to open the drawing. This is the system and doesn't seem to be struggling.

And not sure how good anyone is at analyzing event viewer logs but this is the summary and detailed info (stripped out the XML info to reduce size of text).

___________________________________________________________

Error 12/16/2020 10:23:14 AM User Device Registration 304 None
Error 12/16/2020 10:23:14 AM User Device Registration 307 None
Warning 12/16/2020 10:20:17 AM DistributedCOM 10016 None
Warning 12/16/2020 10:20:17 AM DistributedCOM 10016 None
Error 12/16/2020 10:19:52 AM DistributedCOM 10010 None
Error 12/16/2020 10:19:26 AM User Device Registration 304 None
Error 12/16/2020 10:19:26 AM User Device Registration 307 None
Warning 12/16/2020 10:19:26 AM LSA (LsaSrv) 6038 None
Warning 12/16/2020 10:18:42 AM DistributedCOM 10016 None
Error 12/16/2020 10:18:42 AM Kernel-EventTracing 2 Session
Warning 12/16/2020 10:18:34 AM DistributedCOM 10016 None
Warning 12/16/2020 10:18:34 AM DistributedCOM 10016 None
Error 12/16/2020 10:18:28 AM DistributedCOM 10010 None
Warning 12/16/2020 10:18:27 AM User Device Registration 360 None
Error 12/16/2020 10:18:15 AM User Device Registration 304 None
Error 12/16/2020 10:18:15 AM User Device Registration 307 None
Error 12/16/2020 10:17:45 AM VSS 8193 None
Error 12/16/2020 10:17:45 AM VSS 13 None
Error 12/16/2020 10:17:45 AM VSS 8193 None
Error 12/16/2020 10:17:45 AM VSS 13 None
Error 12/16/2020 10:17:45 AM Service Control Manager 7043 None
Error 12/16/2020 10:16:57 AM User Device Registration 304 None
Error 12/16/2020 10:16:57 AM User Device Registration 307 None
Error 12/16/2020 10:13:07 AM Perflib 1020 None
Warning 12/16/2020 10:06:55 AM DistributedCOM 10016 NoneLog Name:

___________________________________________________________

Microsoft-Windows-User Device Registration/Admin
Source: Microsoft-Windows-User Device Registration
Date: 12/16/2020 10:23:14 AM
Event ID: 304
Task Category: None
Level: Error
Keywords:
User: SYSTEM
Computer: WS-SVEIX.RND.local
Description:
Automatic registration failed at join phase.
Exit code: Unknown HResult Error code: 0x801c001d
Server error:
Tenant type: undefined
Registration type: undefined
Debug Output:
joinMode: Join
drsInstance: undefined
registrationType: undefined
tenantType: undefined
tenantId: undefined
configLocation: undefined
errorPhase: discover
adalCorrelationId: 116a7d70-ae90-426e-83f3-47a7f1f584de
adalLog:
undefined
adalResponseCode: 0x0

Log Name: Microsoft-Windows-User Device Registration/Admin
Source: Microsoft-Windows-User Device Registration
Date: 12/16/2020 10:23:14 AM
Event ID: 307
Task Category: None
Level: Error
Keywords:
User: SYSTEM
Computer: WS-SVEIX.RND.local
Description:
Automatic registration failed. Failed to lookup the registration service information from Active Directory. Exit code: Unknown HResult Error code: 0x801c001d. See http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=623042

Log Name: System
Source: Microsoft-Windows-DistributedCOM
Date: 12/16/2020 10:20:17 AM
Event ID: 10016
Task Category: None
Level: Warning
Keywords: Classic
User: SYSTEM
Computer: WS-SVEIX.RND.local
Description:
The application-specific permission settings do not grant Local Launch permission for the COM Server application with CLSID
Windows.SecurityCenter.WscBrokerManager
and APPID
Unavailable
to the user NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM SID (S-1-5-18) from address LocalHost (Using LRPC) running in the application container Unavailable SID (Unavailable). This security permission can be modified using the Component Services administrative tool.

Log Name: System
Source: Microsoft-Windows-DistributedCOM
Date: 12/16/2020 10:20:17 AM
Event ID: 10016
Task Category: None
Level: Warning
Keywords: Classic
User: SYSTEM
Computer: WS-SVEIX.RND.local
Description:
The application-specific permission settings do not grant Local Launch permission for the COM Server application with CLSID
Windows.SecurityCenter.SecurityAppBroker
and APPID
Unavailable
to the user NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM SID (S-1-5-18) from address LocalHost (Using LRPC) running in the application container Unavailable SID (Unavailable). This security permission can be modified using the Component Services administrative tool.
Event Xml:

Log Name: System
Source: Microsoft-Windows-DistributedCOM
Date: 12/16/2020 10:19:52 AM
Event ID: 10010
Task Category: None
Level: Error
Keywords: Classic
User: RND\sveix
Computer: WS-SVEIX.RND.local
Description:
The server Microsoft.SkypeApp_15.66.77.0_x86__kzf8qxf38zg5c!App.AppXtwmqn4em5r5dpafgj4t4yyxgjfe0hr50.mca did not register with DCOM within the required timeout.
Event Xml:

Log Name: Microsoft-Windows-User Device Registration/Admin
Source: Microsoft-Windows-User Device Registration
Date: 12/16/2020 10:19:26 AM
Event ID: 304
Task Category: None
Level: Error
Keywords:
User: SYSTEM
Computer: WS-SVEIX.RND.local
Description:
Automatic registration failed at join phase.
Exit code: Unknown HResult Error code: 0x801c001d
Server error:
Tenant type: undefined
Registration type: undefined
Debug Output:
joinMode: Join
drsInstance: undefined
registrationType: undefined
tenantType: undefined
tenantId: undefined
configLocation: undefined
errorPhase: discover
adalCorrelationId: 0fd6fc9b-2b68-4e2b-b726-ec9f0a74acf9
adalLog:
undefined
adalResponseCode: 0x0

Log Name: Microsoft-Windows-User Device Registration/Admin
Source: Microsoft-Windows-User Device Registration
Date: 12/16/2020 10:19:26 AM
Event ID: 307
Task Category: None
Level: Error
Keywords:
User: SYSTEM
Computer: WS-SVEIX.RND.local
Description:
Automatic registration failed. Failed to lookup the registration service information from Active Directory. Exit code: Unknown HResult Error code: 0x801c001d. See http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=623042
Event Xml:

Log Name: System
Source: LsaSrv
Date: 12/16/2020 10:19:26 AM
Event ID: 6038
Task Category: None
Level: Warning
Keywords: Classic
User: N/A
Computer: WS-SVEIX.RND.local
Description:
Microsoft Windows Server has detected that NTLM authentication is presently being used between clients and this server. This event occurs once per boot of the server on the first time a client uses NTLM with this server.

NTLM is a weaker authentication mechanism. Please check:

Which applications are using NTLM authentication?
Are there configuration issues preventing the use of stronger authentication such as Kerberos authentication?
If NTLM must be supported, is Extended Protection configured?

Details on how to complete these checks can be found at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=225699.

Log Name: System
Source: Microsoft-Windows-DistributedCOM
Date: 12/16/2020 10:18:42 AM
Event ID: 10016
Task Category: None
Level: Warning
Keywords: Classic
User: RND\sveix
Computer: WS-SVEIX.RND.local
Description:
The application-specific permission settings do not grant Local Launch permission for the COM Server application with CLSID
Windows.SecurityCenter.WscCloudBackupProvider
and APPID
Unavailable
to the user RND\sveix SID (S-1-5-21-4263432456-2811916617-2856734872-1650) from address LocalHost (Using LRPC) running in the application container Unavailable SID (Unavailable). This security permission can be modified using the Component Services administrative tool.

Log Name: Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-EventTracing/Admin
Source: Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-EventTracing
Date: 12/16/2020 10:18:42 AM
Event ID: 2
Task Category: Session
Level: Error
Keywords: Session
User: RND\sveix
Computer: WS-SVEIX.RND.local
Description:
Session "Cloud Files Diagnostic Event Listener" failed to start with the following error: 0xC0000022

Log Name: System
Source: Microsoft-Windows-DistributedCOM
Date: 12/16/2020 10:18:34 AM
Event ID: 10016
Task Category: None
Level: Warning
Keywords: Classic
User: RND\sveix
Computer: WS-SVEIX.RND.local
Description:
The application-specific permission settings do not grant Local Activation permission for the COM Server application with CLSID
{2593F8B9-4EAF-457C-B68A-50F6B8EA6B54}
and APPID
{15C20B67-12E7-4BB6-92BB-7AFF07997402}
to the user RND\sveix SID (S-1-5-21-4263432456-2811916617-2856734872-1650) from address LocalHost (Using LRPC) running in the application container Unavailable SID (Unavailable). This security permission can be modified using the Component Services administrative tool.

Log Name: System
Source: Microsoft-Windows-DistributedCOM
Date: 12/16/2020 10:18:28 AM
Event ID: 10010
Task Category: None
Level: Error
Keywords: Classic
User: RND\sveix
Computer: WS-SVEIX.RND.local
Description:
The server Microsoft.SkypeApp_15.66.77.0_x86__kzf8qxf38zg5c!App.AppXtwmqn4em5r5dpafgj4t4yyxgjfe0hr50.mca did not register with DCOM within the required timeout.

Log Name: Microsoft-Windows-User Device Registration/Admin
Source: Microsoft-Windows-User Device Registration
Date: 12/16/2020 10:18:27 AM
Event ID: 360
Task Category: None
Level: Warning
Keywords:
User: RND\sveix
Computer: WS-SVEIX.RND.local
Description:
Windows Hello for Business provisioning will not be launched.
Device is AAD joined ( AADJ or DJ++ 😞 Not Tested
User has logged on with AAD credentials: No
Windows Hello for Business policy is enabled: Not Tested
Windows Hello for Business post-logon provisioning is enabled: Not Tested
Local computer meets Windows hello for business hardware requirements: Not Tested
User is not connected to the machine via Remote Desktop: Yes
User certificate for on premise auth policy is enabled: Not Tested
Machine is governed by none policy.
See https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=832647 for more details.

Log Name: Microsoft-Windows-User Device Registration/Admin
Source: Microsoft-Windows-User Device Registration
Date: 12/16/2020 10:18:15 AM
Event ID: 304
Task Category: None
Level: Error
Keywords:
User: SYSTEM
Computer: WS-SVEIX.RND.local
Description:
Automatic registration failed at join phase.
Exit code: Unknown HResult Error code: 0x801c001d
Server error:
Tenant type: undefined
Registration type: undefined
Debug Output:
joinMode: Join
drsInstance: undefined
registrationType: undefined
tenantType: undefined
tenantId: undefined
configLocation: undefined
errorPhase: discover
adalCorrelationId: 47de26e8-89cd-499e-b933-6f9e1399dd58
adalLog:
undefined
adalResponseCode: 0x0

Log Name: Microsoft-Windows-User Device Registration/Admin
Source: Microsoft-Windows-User Device Registration
Date: 12/16/2020 10:18:15 AM
Event ID: 307
Task Category: None
Level: Error
Keywords:
User: SYSTEM
Computer: WS-SVEIX.RND.local
Description:
Automatic registration failed. Failed to lookup the registration service information from Active Directory. Exit code: Unknown HResult Error code: 0x801c001d. See http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=623042

Log Name: Application
Source: VSS
Date: 12/16/2020 10:17:45 AM
Event ID: 8193
Task Category: None
Level: Error
Keywords: Classic
User: N/A
Computer: WS-SVEIX.RND.local
Description:
Volume Shadow Copy Service error: Unexpected error calling routine CoCreateInstance. hr = 0x8007045b, A system shutdown is in progress.

Log Name: Application
Source: VSS
Date: 12/16/2020 10:17:45 AM
Event ID: 13
Task Category: None
Level: Error
Keywords: Classic
User: N/A
Computer: WS-SVEIX.RND.local
Description:
Volume Shadow Copy Service information: The COM Server with CLSID {4e14fba2-2e22-11d1-9964-00c04fbbb345} and name CEventSystem cannot be started. [0x8007045b, A system shutdown is in progress.
]

Log Name: Application
Source: VSS
Date: 12/16/2020 10:17:45 AM
Event ID: 8193
Task Category: None
Level: Error
Keywords: Classic
User: N/A
Computer: WS-SVEIX.RND.local
Description:
Volume Shadow Copy Service error: Unexpected error calling routine CoCreateInstance. hr = 0x8007045b, A system shutdown is in progress.
.

Log Name: Application
Source: VSS
Date: 12/16/2020 10:17:45 AM
Event ID: 13
Task Category: None
Level: Error
Keywords: Classic
User: N/A
Computer: WS-SVEIX.RND.local
Description:
Volume Shadow Copy Service information: The COM Server with CLSID {4e14fba2-2e22-11d1-9964-00c04fbbb345} and name CEventSystem cannot be started. [0x8007045b, A system shutdown is in progress.
]

Log Name: System
Source: Service Control Manager
Date: 12/16/2020 10:17:45 AM
Event ID: 7043
Task Category: None
Level: Error
Keywords: Classic
User: N/A
Computer: WS-SVEIX.RND.local
Description:
The AsusUpdateCheck service did not shut down properly after receiving a preshutdown control.

Log Name: Microsoft-Windows-User Device Registration/Admin
Source: Microsoft-Windows-User Device Registration
Date: 12/16/2020 10:16:57 AM
Event ID: 304
Task Category: None
Level: Error
Keywords:
User: SYSTEM
Computer: WS-SVEIX.RND.local
Description:
Automatic registration failed at join phase.
Exit code: Unknown HResult Error code: 0x801c001d
Server error:
Tenant type: undefined
Registration type: undefined
Debug Output:
joinMode: Join
drsInstance: undefined
registrationType: undefined
tenantType: undefined
tenantId: undefined
configLocation: undefined
errorPhase: discover
adalCorrelationId: c8912deb-58a5-4ca6-aab0-8175a359a4fe
adalLog:
undefined
adalResponseCode: 0x0

Log Name: Microsoft-Windows-User Device Registration/Admin
Source: Microsoft-Windows-User Device Registration
Date: 12/16/2020 10:16:57 AM
Event ID: 307
Task Category: None
Level: Error
Keywords:
User: SYSTEM
Computer: WS-SVEIX.RND.local
Description:
Automatic registration failed. Failed to lookup the registration service information from Active Directory. Exit code: Unknown HResult Error code: 0x801c001d. See http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=623042

Log Name: Application
Source: Microsoft-Windows-Perflib
Date: 12/16/2020 10:13:07 AM
Event ID: 1020
Task Category: None
Level: Error
Keywords:
User: SYSTEM
Computer: WS-SVEIX.RND.local
Description:
The required buffer size is greater than the buffer size passed to the Collect function of the "C:\Windows\System32\perfts.dll" Extensible Counter DLL for the "LSM" service. The given buffer size was 31744 and the required size was 42976.

Log Name: System
Source: Microsoft-Windows-DistributedCOM
Date: 12/16/2020 10:06:55 AM
Event ID: 10016
Task Category: None
Level: Warning
Keywords: Classic
User: RND\sveix
Computer: WS-SVEIX.RND.local
Description:
The machine-default permission settings do not grant Local Activation permission for the COM Server application with CLSID
{C2F03A33-21F5-47FA-B4BB-156362A2F239}
and APPID
{316CDED5-E4AE-4B15-9113-7055D84DCC97}
to the user RND\sveix SID (S-1-5-21-4263432456-2811916617-2856734872-1650) from address LocalHost (Using LRPC) running in the application container Microsoft.Windows.ShellExperienceHost_10.0.18362.1171_neutral_neutral_cw5n1h2txyewy SID (S-1-15-2-155514346-2573954481-755741238-1654018636-1233331829-3075935687-2861478708). This security permission can be modified using the Component Services administrative tool.

phlyx · ‎12-16-2020

Had a new flaky thing today. Was trying to save an assembly into a new folder, created NEW FOLDER, highlighted folder, renamed folder, double clicked on folder to open it and got the message that it could not find NEW FOLDER, must of been moved or deleted. Exited and double clicked on it again and got same message that it couldn't find NEW FOLDER. Then third time I double clicked on it the folder opened and I saved my assembly.

Any idea what might make something like that happen????

craig_embry · ‎12-16-2020

When our server loses connectivity here, sometimes this happens. IV will say is can't find the file, clicking on it again is all that is needed here. The loss is so quick that is generally just enough for IV to recognize it, such as saving an IPT/IDW that is open. If you are having that problem often, your server could be resetting the connection a lot.

phlyx · ‎01-06-2021

We have some flaky things here. Have a big machine I was working on before the holidays. On Monday I opened the file in a few minutes and worked on it all day. Tuesday when I tried to open it, Inventor hung after loading ~200 items, after 20 minutes I killed it with Task Manager, tried to reopen it again but it hung on 0 items. After another 20 minutes I killed that, rebooted and tried again. Took almost 20 minutes to load but finally did and I worked on it all day yesterday. Today it opened in just a couple minutes again. But a machine assembly that opened quick yesterday is now hung at 92 items and just sitting for ten minutes. And I can click on the Project File dialog box in the open file window to select another project and get the spinning wheel for 20 seconds, then Inventor flickers and the projects pop up. Just don't understand 🙄

phlyx · ‎01-08-2021

UPDATE: Okay, I feel like I need to dance around a tree wearing garlic and swinging a dead chicken over my head. Many, many years ago My Documents folder was getting really cluttered so I moved a bunch of stuff to my D-drive and created a startup mapped drive "X" to point to the folder on my D-drive. C-drive is SSD and D-drive is SATA. Was getting totally whacked out Inventor processes and started monitoring Task Manager/Performance and noticed when I fired my computer up, my D-drive was running like crazy. No programs on there, no temp folders, nothing my PC should be doing there. So I removed the X-drive mapping batch file, rebooted and noticed right away that startup didn't touch my D-drive, Inventor seemed to run quicker and more reliably and files opened quick and consistently. Not sure why but seems that having the batch file mapping the X-drive was flaking out Inventor.

Below is my file paths in Inventor and curious if anyone sees anything that might be causing response issues. Also, how do you find out where %USERPROFILE% and %PUBLICDOCUMENTS% are directing to?

craig_embry · ‎01-08-2021

If I am understanding you correctly: Just click on the little folder icon to the right of the directory setting (in your application options as shown) and the window will open showing exactly where these folders are directing to. (Scroll down on the window)

phlyx · ‎01-08-2021

Thanks @craig_embry , didn't think to do that. Thought those we system defined variables that we could see the values of but that works. Speaking of that, we use common files for many things and when we upgraded to 2020 we ended up with all these 'stray' materials. Any way you know to get rid of these?

craig_embry · ‎01-08-2021

Check this post out.

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/inventor-ideas/directly-edit-inventor-material-libraries/idi-p/869876...

Seems it has to be done this way. I have never tried this or attempted to create my own. It would seem the edits were done intentionally. Maybe someone else will chime in.

phlyx · ‎01-11-2021

Back on the performance issues this was an odd one. Was in Inventor was doing the F4+mouse to orbit spin an assembly and it was jittery and freezing so I popped open Task Manager performance monitor and when I was orbiting the assembly my network activity was off the charts and as soon as I'd stop it would go to almost nothing. I would think since I wasn't editing anything except the view perspective it should of been all happening local on my video card GPU, video RAM and CPU. Just seems odd that it had to throw a ton of data across the network to alter the view. Also, I am working remote using NetExtender and RDP so not sure if that was traffic to the server at work or maybe traffic going to my RDP session. Any clues?

Frederick_Law · ‎01-11-2021

Inventor on RDP?

Remote Desktop means your using work computer through the network.

You're NOT getting any file to your computer.

All the network doing is "stream" your work computer screen.

So the network traffic is expected.

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Testing IPJ Search Path Validity?

Testing IPJ Search Path Validity?

Testing IPJ Search Path Validity?