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We have the same problem albeit slightly different.
I'm actually pretty angry this still hasn't been fixed, its been flaky for the last 3 releases (since solid bodies were introduced). It's been posted on several times on this forum over the years and I don't recall an autodesk employee ever commenting on it.
Here is my post http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/Autodesk-Inventor/Color-styles-being-reset-to-source-file-color-style-...
You can fix your issue in a my simpler way than editing the color of each face. But its still unacceptable in my book!
I'm also surprised more people don't have this issue. Since i believe more often than not a solid body model would emcompass parts with different materials, and not the same materials. Hence why would retaining colors from the source be the rule rather than the exception?
I want to make it clear, that we don't create color overrides in our source files (skeletal/solid body models). But Inventor is seeing the source files default color as an override and is then in turn overriding and constantly resetting the parts color styles!
Scott Moyse
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We have the same problem albeit slightly different.
I'm actually pretty angry this still hasn't been fixed, its been flaky for the last 3 releases (since solid bodies were introduced). It's been posted on several times on this forum over the years and I don't recall an autodesk employee ever commenting on it.
Here is my post http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/Autodesk-Inventor/Color-styles-being-reset-to-source-file-color-style-...
You can fix your issue in a my simpler way than editing the color of each face. But its still unacceptable in my book!
I'm also surprised more people don't have this issue. Since i believe more often than not a solid body model would emcompass parts with different materials, and not the same materials. Hence why would retaining colors from the source be the rule rather than the exception?
I want to make it clear, that we don't create color overrides in our source files (skeletal/solid body models). But Inventor is seeing the source files default color as an override and is then in turn overriding and constantly resetting the parts color styles!
Scott Moyse
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support have verified it and have submitted it to the dev team. Classic. yeah its a problem, sorry we can't help you. we will get back to you when we know more...............in the meantime we were more productive (in this regard) with the last version but Vault has forced us to the this years version.
Not sure it's our responsibility to write a macro to fix it up.
I do apologise for ranting, but this one has really pi**ed me off.
Scott Moyse
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support have verified it and have submitted it to the dev team. Classic. yeah its a problem, sorry we can't help you. we will get back to you when we know more...............in the meantime we were more productive (in this regard) with the last version but Vault has forced us to the this years version.
Not sure it's our responsibility to write a macro to fix it up.
I do apologise for ranting, but this one has really pi**ed me off.
Scott Moyse
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Hi! I am sorry to hear about the troubles you have experienced in Inventor. By default, the derive assembly part color is linked to the selected design view in the source assembly. Could you try the following and see if it makes a difference?
a) Edit the Derive Assembly node -> go to Representation tab -> uncheck the Link option on the upper right. This step will make sure any design view change will not propagate to the derive assembly part. There is one catch though. If you edit the Derive node, the parts geometry is being reloaded and the derive assembly part color will be in sync with the source assembly color again.
b) Edit the Derive Assembly node -> go to Representation tab -> set it to Master. This step will completely ignore all the color overrides done on the source assembly.
Do you see change in colors? If I understand your workflow correctly, the behavior has been there for a while. There should not be a difference between R2011 and R2012. Please post an example here or send it to me if what you are seeing is dfferent from what I decribe here.
Thanks!
Johnson Shiue (johnson.shiue@autodesk.com)
Software Test Engineer
Hi! I am sorry to hear about the troubles you have experienced in Inventor. By default, the derive assembly part color is linked to the selected design view in the source assembly. Could you try the following and see if it makes a difference?
a) Edit the Derive Assembly node -> go to Representation tab -> uncheck the Link option on the upper right. This step will make sure any design view change will not propagate to the derive assembly part. There is one catch though. If you edit the Derive node, the parts geometry is being reloaded and the derive assembly part color will be in sync with the source assembly color again.
b) Edit the Derive Assembly node -> go to Representation tab -> set it to Master. This step will completely ignore all the color overrides done on the source assembly.
Do you see change in colors? If I understand your workflow correctly, the behavior has been there for a while. There should not be a difference between R2011 and R2012. Please post an example here or send it to me if what you are seeing is dfferent from what I decribe here.
Thanks!
Johnson Shiue (johnson.shiue@autodesk.com)
Software Test Engineer
Johnson,
This is happening in 2011 and 2012 (only just started happening again in the last 3 weeks with 2011, for some reason) with solid body models being exported to assemblies. So no derived assemblies involved (in my case at least). See my topic thread (there is a link to it in this thread) for a workflow, it has been replicated by the support team and forwarded to the Dev team.
However, as much pressure as possible from as many fronts will convey how serious this is for us and I can't believe it wouldn't be for anyone else using solid body modeling. A WELL ADVERTISED & MARKETED new modeling technique for Inventor, so I would imagine a lot of people will have introduced it as the defacto way to model in their organisations, as much for the marketing hype from Autodesk and its obvious work flow benefits.
I see there are design reps involved in derived parts now. I'm guessing its this, that has caused the issue in 2012's case. Also I question the value of this feature, since setting the material of a part is WAY more important than setting the pretty color style, this is an engineering package afterall and not a graphical one, you'd be forgiven for thinking that in the last 12 months given the way the Autodesk Marketing guys have been rattling on for the last 12 months. Don't get me wrong I like the pretty stuff as much as the next guy, I'm also appreciative of the new suites, we will definitely be putting the rendering and visualization side of things to use. But this will happen outside of Inventor, since showcase and max's sole purpose in life is to achieve that!
Off topic, but important all the same: Ray tracing in Inventor? Please, what a crock, someone at Autodesk got a little bit excited there and again forgot they are producing an engineering package. Unless you can have it render seamlessly while in 3D orbit with no lag then its pointless. I doubt this is achievable unless you have a super computer at your desk. The only purpose I can see for this is smooth screenshots. Is realtime multicore processing ray tracing available in Publisher? Definitely would be handy there.
Back on topic: A great visual way of being able to tell the correct material has been applied is through the use of color styles. Hence why the materials color styles being overwritten forcefully is such a problem. In our case I have 9 employees sitting here constantly chasing their tails because we manufacture wood based products, and use the 'grain direction' of the bitmaps to orientate the parts for CNC cutting. Suddenly that process is constantly in doubt, 1 sheet of 18mm marine grade ply double sided with Oak veneer is just under $1000 NZD, once the parts have been cut and then had timber edges glued onto them, the cost of those parts jumps up massively. The grain directions must be correct when they go to be programmed and nested for the CNC. Fundamental stuff!
I feel like doing a pack n go for every model we have this issue with and sending it to Autodesk to constantly fix up, I don't see why we should be hemorrhaging the time to do it. Look i get there are bugs in a new release, and its impossible for Autodesk to capture them all, this one however, should have been potently obvious!
Cheers
Scott
Scott Moyse
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Johnson,
This is happening in 2011 and 2012 (only just started happening again in the last 3 weeks with 2011, for some reason) with solid body models being exported to assemblies. So no derived assemblies involved (in my case at least). See my topic thread (there is a link to it in this thread) for a workflow, it has been replicated by the support team and forwarded to the Dev team.
However, as much pressure as possible from as many fronts will convey how serious this is for us and I can't believe it wouldn't be for anyone else using solid body modeling. A WELL ADVERTISED & MARKETED new modeling technique for Inventor, so I would imagine a lot of people will have introduced it as the defacto way to model in their organisations, as much for the marketing hype from Autodesk and its obvious work flow benefits.
I see there are design reps involved in derived parts now. I'm guessing its this, that has caused the issue in 2012's case. Also I question the value of this feature, since setting the material of a part is WAY more important than setting the pretty color style, this is an engineering package afterall and not a graphical one, you'd be forgiven for thinking that in the last 12 months given the way the Autodesk Marketing guys have been rattling on for the last 12 months. Don't get me wrong I like the pretty stuff as much as the next guy, I'm also appreciative of the new suites, we will definitely be putting the rendering and visualization side of things to use. But this will happen outside of Inventor, since showcase and max's sole purpose in life is to achieve that!
Off topic, but important all the same: Ray tracing in Inventor? Please, what a crock, someone at Autodesk got a little bit excited there and again forgot they are producing an engineering package. Unless you can have it render seamlessly while in 3D orbit with no lag then its pointless. I doubt this is achievable unless you have a super computer at your desk. The only purpose I can see for this is smooth screenshots. Is realtime multicore processing ray tracing available in Publisher? Definitely would be handy there.
Back on topic: A great visual way of being able to tell the correct material has been applied is through the use of color styles. Hence why the materials color styles being overwritten forcefully is such a problem. In our case I have 9 employees sitting here constantly chasing their tails because we manufacture wood based products, and use the 'grain direction' of the bitmaps to orientate the parts for CNC cutting. Suddenly that process is constantly in doubt, 1 sheet of 18mm marine grade ply double sided with Oak veneer is just under $1000 NZD, once the parts have been cut and then had timber edges glued onto them, the cost of those parts jumps up massively. The grain directions must be correct when they go to be programmed and nested for the CNC. Fundamental stuff!
I feel like doing a pack n go for every model we have this issue with and sending it to Autodesk to constantly fix up, I don't see why we should be hemorrhaging the time to do it. Look i get there are bugs in a new release, and its impossible for Autodesk to capture them all, this one however, should have been potently obvious!
Cheers
Scott
Scott Moyse
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Scott,
I undertand the frustration about coloring in Inventor in general. It is not ideal. There are places to be improved in this regard. Let me reply to your issues on their own threads. I am afraid lumping all of them together can make it even more confusing. This thread is about Derive Assembly coloring. I will continue the DA coloring discussion here.
Thanks!
Johnson Shiue (johnson.shiue@autodesk.com)
Software Test Engineer
Scott,
I undertand the frustration about coloring in Inventor in general. It is not ideal. There are places to be improved in this regard. Let me reply to your issues on their own threads. I am afraid lumping all of them together can make it even more confusing. This thread is about Derive Assembly coloring. I will continue the DA coloring discussion here.
Thanks!
Johnson Shiue (johnson.shiue@autodesk.com)
Software Test Engineer
cheers i look forward to it.
Scott Moyse
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cheers i look forward to it.
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Barry,
I think we are overloading terminology here. The derive assembly I was talking about is a part created via Derive -> pick an assembly. Your workflow is quite similar to Scott's. Basically, it is about Derive -> pick a part.
I have one question regarding the workflow which will help clarify some confusiong. You said "
I add color to each of these parts at this point." Where exactly you changed the color? Is it in the part file open by itself? Or is it at the assembly level? Or, is it when you edit the part in place? And, how do you change the color? Is it from the pull down menu or changing it from Properties or Material?
Thanks!
Johnson Shiue (johnson.shiue@autodesk.com)
Software Test Engineer
Barry,
I think we are overloading terminology here. The derive assembly I was talking about is a part created via Derive -> pick an assembly. Your workflow is quite similar to Scott's. Basically, it is about Derive -> pick a part.
I have one question regarding the workflow which will help clarify some confusiong. You said "
I add color to each of these parts at this point." Where exactly you changed the color? Is it in the part file open by itself? Or is it at the assembly level? Or, is it when you edit the part in place? And, how do you change the color? Is it from the pull down menu or changing it from Properties or Material?
Thanks!
Johnson Shiue (johnson.shiue@autodesk.com)
Software Test Engineer
Maybe you should use Jing. Great software, then you can upload the captured video to screen cast and past the link in here. Its a brilliant tool for getting your point across, and you can do voice overs if you are game.
Scott Moyse
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Maybe you should use Jing. Great software, then you can upload the captured video to screen cast and past the link in here. Its a brilliant tool for getting your point across, and you can do voice overs if you are game.
Scott Moyse
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Barry,
I have confirmed the behavior. This is indeed an unexpected behavior starting from R2011 SP1. I believe the issue you describe here is identical to the one Scott mentioned. I am working with engineering team to see how we can correct the behavior.
Many thanks for bring this issue to our attention!
Johnson Shiue (johnson.shiue@autodesk.com)
Software Test Engineer
Barry,
I have confirmed the behavior. This is indeed an unexpected behavior starting from R2011 SP1. I believe the issue you describe here is identical to the one Scott mentioned. I am working with engineering team to see how we can correct the behavior.
Many thanks for bring this issue to our attention!
Johnson Shiue (johnson.shiue@autodesk.com)
Software Test Engineer
This bug is well and truely embedded in 2011 SP2. Most of our PC's weren't doing it with 2011 SP1, having just installed SP2 ALL of them are doing it now!
Scott Moyse
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This bug is well and truely embedded in 2011 SP2. Most of our PC's weren't doing it with 2011 SP1, having just installed SP2 ALL of them are doing it now!
Scott Moyse
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here you go barry http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/Autodesk-Inventor/Hotfix-required-for-color-styles-being-reset/td-p/30...
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here you go barry http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/Autodesk-Inventor/Hotfix-required-for-color-styles-being-reset/td-p/30...
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I have been told its marked for a fix, well my issue anyway, i assume it will fix yours. I created a new thread that i was hoping you would comment on: http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/Autodesk-Inventor/Hotfix-required-for-color-styles-being-reset/m-p/305...
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I have been told its marked for a fix, well my issue anyway, i assume it will fix yours. I created a new thread that i was hoping you would comment on: http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/Autodesk-Inventor/Hotfix-required-for-color-styles-being-reset/m-p/305...
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