linetypes - why dots are arctually lines - how to remove lines

[Cris-Ideas]

Hi,

I am trying to use linetype that is less visible and doted type seemed most useful.

But in fact dots are not dots but lines of significant length. why is that? Is there a linetype that is actually a doted, and I mean  doted (single point marks)?

Other question more general is:

Does anyone have a way to remove visible lines from shaded view but only for one view on a sheet?

Can I use different style for individual view?

Cris.

[JDMather]

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@Cris-Ideas wrote:

Other question more general is:

Does anyone have a way to remove visible lines from shaded view but only for one view on a sheet?

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Easiest way (assuming some complexity) - turn of visibility of other layers.

Select, Window Select or Crossing Window select any or all visible lines, right click and hide.  

Turn visibility of other layers back on.

If not complex - they you don't need to toggle other layer visibilities to avoid that geometry.

[CGBenner]

@Cris-Ideas 

I never noticed before that the dots in the Dotted line style, are not actually dots.  You're right... they're line segments.

But @JDMather has your second part right, although I didn't even need to turn layoers off, just selevt the line you want to remove, in the view from which you want it removed, and toggle visibility.

[JDMather]

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@CGBenner wrote:

But @JDMather has your second part right, although I didn't even need to turn layers off...

 I posted two solutions: 

1. Complex solution assuming many visible lines to hide and some intertwined hidden lines to avoid.

2. Simple solution - one line (or only a few easy to select lines to hide).

My usual case is the opposite.

I have some hidden lines amoung many that I want to hide, but not all hidden lines.  Difficult to crossing window select while the Visible lines are visible.

Hidden lines visible...

Visible lines hidden...

Hope that is all clear as mud...

[Cris-Ideas]

@JDMather 

So solution with switching visibility of individual edges will work. Little more elaborated than expected but should be usable.

@CGBenner 

However I have noticed that "Select as edges" option in context menu of a component selection in drawing tree does not select edges in case of "meshed bodies". Edges of this parts stay unselected. Which I believe is a bug.

Cris.

[johnsonshiue]

Hi Cris,

How are you doing? Long time no see! Hope you are doing well in this strange time.

Indeed, Inventor dot line type is more like a very short line segment. I guess  you may want to change the line weight so it looks more like a dot than a short line.

Many thanks!

[Cris-Ideas]

Hi Johnson,

So I am struggling with Inventor again lately experiencing some new and some old problems. Also I do not have time I can spare for posting and sending data to Autodesk, so you did not hear from me for a long time.

As for lines my problem is actually the other way around.

I need lines as "invisible" as possible in a simple way.

So I am already in the low limit with lightweight, and wanted to use doted line. But because this dots are in fact lines, and they are not so short if you consider small scales on drawings.

So currently my model, which is a large ship I am importing as a meshed object, looks peaty bad on drawings as I need to show it in 1:1250 to fit as I need it on my A3 sheet.

In the end with default setting I end up with a view that is totally not what I want. And I need this edges gone.

I tried some tricks and nothing worked (Now I use "hide edges" method JDMather suggest above. But it has a big drawback which is not being adaptive and every time there will be a change in the model or visibility state this view will not follow and will require manual update).

So I tried to define my linetype which I thought would be a single dot, as it is mandatory so pattern starts with a "pen down", and a very long space. But this technique did not work as line type  "dots" are not real dots, and on my model each dot is in fact dash as long or longer as many of the edges of the model in the scale I need to show it.

(proper solution would be so dot is exactly as long as line is wide, so in fact is a square)

Simple solution would be just to move edges of this model or parts to a different layer and hide it, but there is no solution for it (perhaps i-Logic would do that, but I never had enough time to learn it on this level).

Do you have any idea if this can be achieved?

(in the very end I decide to switch off ALL edges on all views by hiding "visible" layer).

In any case, since you appeared I will use this opportunity and mention some "fan facts" I have discovered during struggle with this drawings and one from before:

1) do you know that "deleting"  linked Ole Image from title block sketch does not delete this Ole image if you delete it using "del" key on your keyboard (so most obvious method for most users).

You can do the test.

Define a title block. insert "linked image" (I am not sure if fact that the reference was from outside project search paths has anything to do).

Save this title block.

Edit it and delete image using "del" key.

Save this tile

Edit it again and you will see the image you have just deleted.

It took me like an hour to understand how to deal with it. And now I know. Once you will find that out you can have it fixed.

2) I have imported meshed model (model of the ship) I am not able to edit and I only use it as a reference. This model I have imported from .obj file. (best option from possible formats).

I tried to change its appearance on drawings and although overriding appearance works in model environment and I see proper representation in assembly this appearance override is not promoted in drawing environment. So no matter how this model looks in assembly it will always be represented in "default" appearance on drawing.

It also took me like 6 hours to get this fixed. And this process lead me to discovering of the fact that some settings regarding appearance  in part environment do not work as user would expect them to work.

3) Did you know that "tangential" constraint can be actually dragged out of the position and in fact it does not fix the geometry as it is suppose to?

I had/have a model that two cones sit one in the other. So most obvious constrain to use would be "tangential" as this relationship, accompanied by axial mate, defines precisely axial alignment and distance between cone vertices. But it urns out it does not, at least for inventor.

It is possible to drag this cones along in the way so they do not touch or interfere. And do not get any error.

Just a fan fact.

Hope you are well and safe.

Cris.

[johnsonshiue]

Hi Cris,

Many thanks for getting back to me! I am doing well. There isn't much I can say about the linetype. It is what it is. I don't see a quick fix. Let me embed my reply.

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@Cris-Ideas wrote:

1) do you know that "deleting"  linked Ole Image from title block sketch does not delete this Ole image if you delete it using "del" key on your keyboard (so most obvious method for most users).

You can do the test.

Define a title block. insert "linked image" (I am not sure if fact that the reference was from outside project search paths has anything to do).

Save this title block.

Edit it and delete image using "del" key.

Save this tile

Edit it again and you will see the image you have just deleted.

It took me like an hour to understand how to deal with it. And now I know. Once you will find that out you can have it fixed.

[JS]: I recalled there was a bug. The behavior I am seeing right now is that it does get deleted, but another copy will be added to avoid missing reference. You will need to delete that one manually also.

2) I have imported meshed model (model of the ship) I am not able to edit and I only use it as a reference. This model I have imported from .obj file. (best option from possible formats).

I tried to change its appearance on drawings and although overriding appearance works in model environment and I see proper representation in assembly this appearance override is not promoted in drawing environment. So no matter how this model looks in assembly it will always be represented in "default" appearance on drawing.

It also took me like 6 hours to get this fixed. And this process lead me to discovering of the fact that some settings regarding appearance  in part environment do not work as user would expect them to work.

[JS]: I believe it is about how Design View control mesh objects. The issue with mesh is that there is grouping. If you have one group of mesh within an ipt, the color change probably works better than if you have multiple groups. The bottom line is that the shaded view in drawing should be in sync with the linked Design View. If not, it is a bug. If possible, please share an example with me directly johnson.shiue@autodesk.com. I would like to understand it better.

3) Did you know that "tangential" constraint can be actually dragged out of the position and in fact it does not fix the geometry as it is suppose to?

I had/have a model that two cones sit one in the other. So most obvious constrain to use would be "tangential" as this relationship, accompanied by axial mate, defines precisely axial alignment and distance between cone vertices. But it urns out it does not, at least for inventor.

It is possible to drag this cones along in the way so they do not touch or interfere. And do not get any error.

Just a fan fact.

[JS]: The Tangent constraint can behave a bit weird. When it solves, it actually restore the base face. For example if it is a half cone, the constraint solver assume the full cone is available. This is why it can behave unexpectedly sometimes. You may want to use Transition constraint instead.

Hope you are well and safe.

Cris.

Thanks again!

[Cris-Ideas]

Hi Johnson,

I will switch to e-mail as this thread is not about those.

Just a quick tip"

to delete Ole object from tittle block sketch if you use "delete" from RMB context menu it deletes the object properly, while in the same situation using "del" key does not.

As for appearance override it does not follow representation on drawings.

Will send you links.

Cones are full cones in my case and constrain still does not work. but probably do not have a time now to follow that.

Cris.