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Impossible to run the simulation the curves intersect at multiple locations.

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Thegreatrandino
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Impossible to run the simulation the curves intersect at multiple locations.

Thegreatrandino
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I'm at the end of my rope!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here is what I want to simulate.

When the red handle moves, either upwardly or downwardly, the yellow arm remains vertical until the green strike contacts either of the blue catches. When the strike make contact the the arm deflected and the strike follows the catch.

When I move the handle with the mouse, the arm swings wildly, I  added torque and  stiffness and could not eliminate the free movement. I accepted that  thinking when I ran the simulation player it wouldn't be an issue. (or I could apply the appropriate forces during analysis)

To drive the simulation, I set the minimum and  maximum values for the Rotational joint at the handle and frame.. I move the handle until the strike contacts the catch, open the properties of the joint and use the position as the minimum  position. For the maximum I do something similar, but I find the position where the handle contacts the catch.

Then I get the message.  and then inventor crashes, and then and then and then................

At one point I created components (pins) to model the connections between the handle and the frame and the the handle and the arm.  I used a rigid joint between the frame and the pin and between the arm. I used revolute join in the assembly between the handle and the pin and between the arm and the pin. That didn't work.  I couldn't create the joint in Dynamic sim. Then going through Younis' book for the umptenth time, I realized a needed a mobile group and fixed group. So I tried to create a weldment between a pin and the frame. Then Inventor crashed and I lost everthing...........

 

 

 

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Impossible to run the simulation the curves intersect at multiple locations.

I'm at the end of my rope!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here is what I want to simulate.

When the red handle moves, either upwardly or downwardly, the yellow arm remains vertical until the green strike contacts either of the blue catches. When the strike make contact the the arm deflected and the strike follows the catch.

When I move the handle with the mouse, the arm swings wildly, I  added torque and  stiffness and could not eliminate the free movement. I accepted that  thinking when I ran the simulation player it wouldn't be an issue. (or I could apply the appropriate forces during analysis)

To drive the simulation, I set the minimum and  maximum values for the Rotational joint at the handle and frame.. I move the handle until the strike contacts the catch, open the properties of the joint and use the position as the minimum  position. For the maximum I do something similar, but I find the position where the handle contacts the catch.

Then I get the message.  and then inventor crashes, and then and then and then................

At one point I created components (pins) to model the connections between the handle and the frame and the the handle and the arm.  I used a rigid joint between the frame and the pin and between the arm. I used revolute join in the assembly between the handle and the pin and between the arm and the pin. That didn't work.  I couldn't create the joint in Dynamic sim. Then going through Younis' book for the umptenth time, I realized a needed a mobile group and fixed group. So I tried to create a weldment between a pin and the frame. Then Inventor crashed and I lost everthing...........

 

 

 

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JDMather
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@Thegreatrandino wrote:

When the red handle moves, either upwardly or downwardly, the yellow arm remains vertical until ...


In the real world - what you cause the yellow arm to remain vertical... ...until?


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@Thegreatrandino wrote:

When the red handle moves, either upwardly or downwardly, the yellow arm remains vertical until ...


In the real world - what you cause the yellow arm to remain vertical... ...until?


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Autodesk AutoCAD 2013 Certified Professional
Certified SolidWorks Professional


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Thegreatrandino
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Are you asking what would cause the yellow arm to remain vertical?

Gravity

The yellow arm is connected to the red hand by a pin and the yellow handle free to rotate about the pin.  The rotation about the axis of the pin is the only degree of freedom.  I expect the yellow handle to hang plumb, or vertical due to the downward, wrt the pin, force of gravity.  Which I had added.

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Are you asking what would cause the yellow arm to remain vertical?

Gravity

The yellow arm is connected to the red hand by a pin and the yellow handle free to rotate about the pin.  The rotation about the axis of the pin is the only degree of freedom.  I expect the yellow handle to hang plumb, or vertical due to the downward, wrt the pin, force of gravity.  Which I had added.

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