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Hi guys,
We have had to do some testing on a bunch of Inventor PC's recently to determine which of the PC's needs to be replaced. Obviously we needed to find out which of the PC's are the worst eprformers as there was only budget to replace 50% of the design PC's. So we thought the Darwin theory will come in handy right... 🙂
Anyways I started searching on the net for toppics on how to benchmark an Inventor PC. Then I thought whats the point of using gaming benchmark tools because Inventor is not a game and there are more aspects than just graphics performance when it comes to percieved performance on an Inventor PC right.
So we decided to create our own Inventor benchmark tool which tests various aspects of an Inventor PC to give us an overview of our PC's performance. This then helped us make a decision as to whcih pc's to replace.
We have made the tool available free of charge to anyone interested in checking how their PC stacks up to their peers or friends. 🙂
Please download it here and post your results here as well if you want. Would be interesting to see what beast workstations are out there.
I would like to say thanks to Kirk #karthur1, for helping in testing the app.
Please feel free to send any suggestions our way. There is an email link in the app.
The application will work with Inventor 2014 to 2016 only.
IMPORTANT: After installation there will be an Inventor Bench icon on your desktop that looks like this:
My resluts:
HP Elitebook 8560w with an SSD upgrade.
To be honest, the laptop you've listed is ridiculously unpractical. The 6700K is a desktop CPU, it was never meant to be put into a laptop and the fact that the drawing test is taking over 50 seconds possibly maybe suggests that the CPU is massively thermal throttling. The 6700K is supposed to be in a desktop tower strapped to a massive air cooler, and given that it's been overclocked to 4.5GHz it should be in a massive tower strapped to a liquid cooler, there's no way a laptop can provide suitable cooling for that, no chance.
Without knowing any facts and purely guessing, I'd say that the CPU in that laptop is running at around 50% efficiency because it can't run at 100% due to heat issues. Run the bench test and keep a CPU monitoring application open, something like HW Monitor, look at the core temps and frequencies during the test, looking at your CPU based bench scores I highly doubt that CPU is running anywhere near 4.5GHz
Everything else was turned off. We just ran the benchmark again with the HWmonitor running. Attached screenshot below. So if the CPU is the problem what would be the best route to get this running at a decent level? Origins has agreed to replace any piece of hardware we want. Just have to know what route to go.
That report won't tell the story, you'll need to monitor the clock speeds during the test... specifically during the drawing test. If you look at @mmaes scores he has the exact same CPU in a desktop tower and is doing the drawing test in ~20 seconds, yours is around 50 seconds.
After Googling around, it's obvious that very very few vendors are putting desktop CPU's into laptops, because it's a stupid idea. Here's a guy with a 6700K in a laptop being told the same thing:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2466507
I dunno, maybe Origin have found some next level tech to keep a desktop CPU cool in thin laptop chassis, but if that was something that worked... every laptop manufacturer would be doing it and Intel wouldn't have a mobile CPU range. Look at all the water cooling and overclocking enthusiasts, if a 6700K can be overclocked in a thin laptop body being cooled by small form factor plastic fans why would anyone ever need water cooling.
You could always ask Origin? Straight up ask them what they have in place to stop the 6700K from thermal throttling under max load.
Another good test would be to open up a big model and kick off high quality ray tracing, monitor the core temps and speeds after 5-10 minutes, if it isn't over 80-90 and throttling down the frequency I'd be very surprised and interested to know how it's doing it
Well, after watching the laptop run Prime95 I noticed the cores were droping down to 750mghz under full load. Got in touch with the Origins rep. Told him what I was seeing. He linked up to the laptop and went through the settings. He ended up finding that the wattage was set to high when the overclocking was done. He adjusted that and here is the new score.
Now that's more like it, so it was throttling.
Personally, just me, as amazing as the 6700K is I still wouldn't consciously choose to have it in a laptop. You've got an absolute beast of a machine now, but it's like putting an Formula 1 engine in a Ford Fiesta...
Now that it isn't throttling, set something away to ray trace for a half hour and monitor the core temps and frequency still. It might still throttle down on operations which last longer than the very very short benchmark test, it can take a couple of minutes for the cores to heat up to a point where the CPU slows itself down
@Raider_71 any plans to get the bench tool working on 2017? I know how busy this time of year is in a VAR so no pressure!
@Neil_Cross wrote:
@Raider_71 any plans to get the bench tool working on 2017? I know how busy this time of year is in a VAR so no pressure!
LOL I surely don't miss those days. Well not too much anyway. 
Can you make a test with R9 380 or GTX 960 and a 3840x2160 resolution, a have a UHD 40inch monitor and I wan't to use it minimum 30Hz ~ 40Hz on 3840x2160, can those videocard handle this? With G3258 ,G4400, i3-6100 overclocked to 4.2 Ghz
Erwin
I see on 3840x2160 there are good FPS / Hz with the Radeon R9 300 series, I found a "HP AMD Radeon R9 350 2 GB GDDR5" for a very good price. Can I get the same results as a MSI R9 380 ?
You could stick a Titan Z or a M6000 in your PC and it wouldn't help, unfortunately your CPU is a bottleneck. The Core 2 Duo is an old CPU and yours is quite a low clock speed, and if the 40-50 odd pages on this thread have showed anything it's that the CPU is the main driver for graphical performance.
Good CPU + Good GPU = good graphics score
Bad CPU + Great GPU = bad graphics score
Good CPU + Bad GPU = average graphics score
Great CPU + Good GPU = great graphics score
That's kinda been the theme across all the scores
@ErwinMeulman but to answer your question direct, no that R9 350 will not help with 4K, it's a terrible card and for the price you should be looking at something a little better. If that's your budget, I'd try and stretch it a tiny bit further and go for a GTX 960 or a R9 380.
However, if you want to run smooth 4K you're going to need a complete new rig. Minimum Skylake with a GTX 970.
I've got a high end mobile Skylake 6820HK in this laptop with a 980M 8GB GPU (roughly equivalent to a desktop 970) and my scores at 4K are pretty bad.
@Anonymous wrote:
@Neil_Cross wrote:
You could stick a Titan Z or a M6000 in your PC and it wouldn't help, unfortunately your CPU is a bottleneck. The Core 2 Duo is an old CPU and yours is quite a low clock speed, and if the 40-50 odd pages on this thread have showed anything it's that the CPU is the main driver for graphical performance.
Good CPU + Good GPU = good graphics score
Bad CPU + Great GPU = bad graphics score
Good CPU + Bad GPU = average graphics score
Great CPU + Good GPU = great graphics score
That's kinda been the theme across all the scores
Would you concur with these numbers?
9+ Good CPU + Good GPU = good graphics score
<7 Bad CPU + Great GPU = bad graphics score
7-9 Good CPU + Bad GPU = average graphics score
11+ Great CPU + Good GPU = great graphics score
Yea that's pretty spot on actually. The good bad and great tags are arbitrary and open to discussion but yea that's what seems to be happening. I had another Dell Precision model tested with a 4C Xeon 3.7GHz and a Quadro M4000, Good CPU & Good GPU and it came out roughly around 9.0-9.5
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