"Move Sketch Objects" not functional at all.

"Move Sketch Objects" not functional at all.

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"Move Sketch Objects" not functional at all.

Anonymous
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I have researched everything that I can find on this topic of "Moving Sketch Objects". I have attempted to move objects on numerous projects that I have drawn and machined using only Fusion, including many full 3D parts. I have tried every manner of moving sketch objects and have been entirely unsuccessful. I am fluent in 17 CAD/CAM programs with 27 years of CAM machining experience. "Move" only works for me on "Bodies". Does anyone have any suggestions or tip/tricks that I may be missing, or does the "Move Sketch Objects" just not work? Thanks in advance.

Brian

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Message 2 of 29

jeff_strater
Community Manager
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You need to set the Move Object type to "sketch objects" for it to act on them:

 

Screen Shot 2017-12-16 at 8.00.16 PM.png

 

I'll post a video shortly showing the workflow.

 


Jeff Strater
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jeff_strater
Community Manager
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Here is the video:

 

 

 


Jeff Strater
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Anonymous
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   Yes sir. I understand that this is the way that it is supposed to work. I have tried exactly what is depicted in the video.

   However, none of the PC's that we run Fusion on will do what is shown in the video. I have set the parameter to "Sketch Objects" each time and tried translation by typing coordinates, point to point, point to position, etc.. The only thing that is successful is rotate.

   In other words, the only thing that we can do with the "Move: dialog is rotate sketch objects, and move "Bodies". Sketch objects will not move for whatever reason. I am also a software designer, and I feel pretty confident that there is a glitch in our software. We are new to Fusion (Two months approx.). I am the head programmer, so I have been tasked with becoming fluent. I have been using it to machine for around a month with only this one glitch. I am very impressed with all else.

   I am getting around it by drawing the object to be machined based off an absolute X,Y,Z zero and then moving and rotating the final Body as needed for machining each operation. However, it would be advantageous if this did work correctly for us. Thanks again.

Brian

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jeff_strater
Community Manager
Community Manager

Can you post a screencast of what you are seeing?  Is the sketch you are trying to edit in an externally referenced design?  That is the only situation that I can think of offhand where Move won't work on sketch geometry.  But, a video will most likely show what is going wrong.

 


Jeff Strater
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Anonymous
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I am unfamiliar with "Screencasts". I have posted a screenshot videos I created in .mpeg format.

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Message 7 of 29

jeff_strater
Community Manager
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It's a little hard to tell from that video, (I can't see which items are selected), but I wonder:  Are you trying to move the origin point?  If so, that's the problem - that point is fixed and cannot be moved.  If you select that point along with other geometry, then the geometry won't move. See below.  In this screencast, the first move is of a circle which is not attached to the fixed origin.  That one you can move.  However, if you include both circles, the second one has its center at the sketch origin, and this point cannot be moved.  If you include this circle, it cannot be moved:

 

 

However, you can detach it from the origin using the "Delete Coincident" command:

 

 


Jeff Strater
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Anonymous
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The thread will not let me post the URL link. I am attempting to send it to
you this way. I hope it works.

http://autode.sk/2yKkUZw

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Message 9 of 29

corneliu.ticu
Explorer
Explorer

I have the same problem on my iMac.

 

I hit m, go to the dropdown and select sketch object. Then I click the sketch and it turns blue.

Only the translate helper icon moves.

If I try the same with a cone or a sphere all is fine.

(I worked for many year in Maya and I suppose it should work the same)

 

 

EDIT:

 

It happens only to sketches that have the centre of mass  at the origin.

My first try was with a circle.

 

After this I draw a line and another circle somewhere else and it worked fine.

 

Edit:

 

If I draw 2 different sketches, 2 circles with the second circle at the origin of the first, the same problem appears: I can't move the circle anymore

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Message 10 of 29

slv.modd
Contributor
Contributor

Perhaps will be better to improve the move command in Fusion, ask the user automatic to stop/delete the existent origin constraint (like in Inventor).logically if anyone want to move somethingh in the sketch he need to give up to existent constraints

I don't know, just sayng.....

Message 11 of 29

Anonymous
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I have to agree.  The operation of the move sketch functions seems..... sketchy.  I just spent long hours trying to get some sketch objects that I projected from another sketch onto an offset plane.  Couldn't get the projected points nor lines to move for anything.  Tried deleting constraints, breaking links, etc, no joy.  Particularly infuriating is when the helpful white square and its arrow appear, but when you move any of them only that white square and arrows move but not my selected sketch objects!  I finally just drew some new lines and points where I needed them to be and got on with the design.

For what it's worth, I've seen where other F360 users have complained about how unintuitive it is to move sketch objects.  It's like there is a secret collection of rules and conditions that need to be met and fusion won't tell you why things won't move, they just don't (or for unfathomable reasons can't be selected after entering 'move' mode).  I think it would be worth Autodesk's while, if trying to pull in new users, to work on the user interface for moving sketch objects so dummies like me can figure them out.

Message 12 of 29

blinkythingy
Explorer
Explorer

100% agree with bwaslo. The even more frustrating thing for me is that for some sketches I can only rotate them but not move. Tried to remove all constraints and links, deleted part of the sketch and still it does not want to move. I doubt it is a great solution to move sketches by rotating them around in space. Can this issue be addressed please?

PS: I work on mac with MacOS High Sierra. 

Message 13 of 29

dwc155
Explorer
Explorer

The workflow to move a sketch created with the rectangle command is even more problematic.


And this is not an edge-case. More like an origin story...   Certainly, for most users on their journey with your product.
If the starting point for the rectangle is at the origin (of the drawing), you can right-click and see the option to Delete Coincident.


Or, (more likely) you will click the dot on the corner of the rectangle and see not one but two coincident constraints.  But which one to delete.  (Correct answer: the one on the left.)


For a new user, the presence of two coincidents at the corner raises a deep confusion.  Why two? (I thought I was just drawing a rectangle.) “I get that one coincident is between the ends of two lines of my rectangle; but what about the other coincident?  What’s that coincident to?”


In any case, the user boldly deletes the first coincident, catches a lucky break, and then proceeds to move the box and then Stop Sketch.


But what's that ugly red circle visible at the origin, even with the origin turned off? Right click on it to find it in the browser and it's confirmed that it's associated with the sketch. So go back into the sketch, click on it and see (bottom right) it's a sketch point somehow left over from the rectangle... which nonetheless still has its four corners intact.


Hit delete, but the mystery dot is still there. Right click to delete using the helpfully provided delete option, which then asks you to select the entities. Click all you like at that red dot, but the Move/Delete dialog select doesn't want to know anything about it.


So, in this user story, we have a few problems: Whatever the red dot is, it's not a mere Sketch Point like all the other boys.  It's more like an "App-Created Sketch-Embedded Immutable Intersect [i.e. reference] to the Drawing Origin". But it needs a name and identity within the context of the owner sketch; its identity (surfaced in the GUI and documented application concepts) needs to be discoverable; and, the user needs to be able to know how (and be able under many circumstances) to operate on it.


A similar challenge arises when a sketch is started at a user-created-point (such as at the intersection of three planes). There, after deleting the automagic coincident and moving the rectangle there is a point left over that, when clicking on it, it shows an obscure icon that looks like a mortar board from graduation ceremonies, one that does not appear in the Constraints list. Turns out it is an Intersect. The good news: this time it comes with a context menu that includes "Break Link". (Break that and the icon indicating the Intersect curiously remains until you move the point. So it wasn’t just a relationship. “Was it an actual object, the user keeps wondering, or more like a spot on my glasses?”)

 

Solving the problems in both use cases requires promoting these automagic sketch origin constraints/intersections/locked links/snapped to items/contingent correspondences (pick a name/concept) to first class citizens, and making discoverable what is on the other end of the connection. When I do a long left click on a corner of my rectangle, I should never see three “Sketch Points” under something called “Depth”. One of them needs a new identity. Furthermore, you could add a tab to the same control and call it “Intersections” or “Links”. Later, you might want to enhance this control to enable operations on these items (most notably, Break Link), and to enable tooltips that indicate to what object an Intersect is linked. Check out how Excel enables viewing various properties of links in a workbook that refer to other workbooks/files.  Or how Visual Studio enables control-clicking on a reference to take you straight to the definition.  Or how your team is now handling Insert-Derive.  Object references are essential to tooling for complex compositions, but the user needs to know what's on the other end as well as the nature and status of the relationship.


Alternatively, you might want to go easy on users by enabling them when they say they want to move all 8 (or even 9?) points in a sketched box using the full ceremony of the Move/Copy control. (Trigger confirmation dialog boxes about link breakage all you wish.  Trust but verify.)


Finally, more broadly, you might want to enhance your usability testing. Gather lots of video of new users during their first 20 hours with the tool that includes an audio “director’s track” with them later explaining what they were struggling with. The product is already superb but there is some work to do in making it more usable for new users.

 

Message 14 of 29

Anonymous
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The "delete coincident" command will not pop up when I right click on the mouse. How else can I activate it?

Message 15 of 29

Jacekmo
Observer
Observer

1000% Agree. Fusion is wonderful prodct and I love it, but some simple funcionality sometimes doesnt work at all.

Which can be very frustrating, especially when you have to finish a project instead of moving the usual lines in a sketch. hours pass and you fight something so obvious. It really can be more than annoying. If you care a bit about the mental health of your users, please correct this problem as soon as possible. I think sketching is the weakest point of Fusion. Many more advanced features work exelent but sketching is a real adventure. No closing the line, no built-in tool to fix this problem. Hangs up during spline editing. several other problems mean that you can spend unnecessarily hours over very simple operations.

Message 16 of 29

slv.modd
Contributor
Contributor

Sketching is the Achile wound for Fusion; I really don't understand this !!! To achieve manufacturing , generative, or rendering ... FIRST need to do sketches ! If the tools in sketching are weak, then the other improvments are = 0.

Message 17 of 29

hkgarne
Participant
Participant

I'm posting here hoping against hope that anything can be done about this since this thread was "solved" and yet here I am still, with a move command that doesn't work.

 

I tried your solution and it didn't work still cannot do anything other than rotate.

My sketch is slightly more complex than a circle so deleting every constraint individually is a bit tedious, anyhow I tried removing constraints still no luck can only rotate.

I can move the sketch around the entire place as I like as long as the only move function I use is rotate so I do not think constraints are the issue since it doesn't seem to be bound to any one place.

 

Lastly:

WHY is it possible to choose origin when trying to move when origin isn't possible to move?

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Message 18 of 29

charlie.buscher
Contributor
Contributor

You have to delete the sketch object coincident before moving.
Right click, delete coincident then m to move.

I remembered how to resolve this issue after coming here for help.

delcoincident.jpg

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Message 19 of 29

cow448w
Explorer
Explorer

Doesnt work!!
Fusion 360 is utter dire, and i paid for mine too!

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Message 20 of 29

cow448w
Explorer
Explorer

WHERE IS THE "DELETE COINCIDENT" COMMAND?

I am getting pretty sick of Fusion 360 and i paid for it! its absolutely dire compared to SW