インボリュート歯車の書き方

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インボリュート歯車の書き方

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igearsを使用し、インボリュート歯車を描きたいのですが
歯先円直径(大径)と歯底円直径(小径)も指示したい場合
大径円、小径円を描き出力された歯車を大径側は切り落とし
小径側は盛り付ける事で解決出来ますか?
それともそれでは計算式などが変わり、ギヤの辻褄が合わなくなってしまいますか?
宜しくお願い致します。

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ほしい大径よりはみ出ている部分は、必要な大径でサーフェスで壁を立てて分割除去

欲しい小径に足りていない部分は、必要な小径円をソリッドで追加し結合(画像は結合してありません)

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adachitech7
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@towacadcam さん、

 

アドインを使ってギヤを生成されていると思うのですが、そのアドインでパラメータを変更できませんか?

ピッチ円直径、モジュール、歯数を適宜変えないと相手側の歯車と噛み合わないと思います。

towacadcam
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adachitech7様 ありがとうございます。

 そのまま使用すると、自動で計算結果が出てくる部分の変更ができませんでした。

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この変更できない部分を、アドインのプログラムのパラメータを編集し、変更できるようにするということでしょうか?

また、可能であれば右の入力箇所の項目を増やしたいです。

 

宜しくお願い致します。

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adachitech7
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@towacadcam さん、

 

歯数Zとピッチ円直径Dとモジュールmは次のような関係になっています。

m=D/Z

 

このアドインでは歯数とモジュールを入力するような仕様になっているようなのでピッチ円直径はm×Zで計算されるということになりますね。歯車の大きさを小さくしようと思えば歯数を少なくするかモジュールを小さくしてみてください。

towacadcam
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ありがとうございます。

しかし歯数、ピッチ円直径、モジュール、圧力角、転移係数、基礎円直径、歯型管理直径、円弧歯厚が指定されているので変えることが出来ません。

そして歯先円、歯底円にも指定がある為、

今回のアドインで入力できる部分に当てはめていくと、歯先円と歯底円が自動で決まってしまうので困っています。

その為、出てきた歯車を必要な大径、小径で切り埋めしても問題ない形状になるのかがわからず、投稿させていただきました。

別の有料ソフトを使うしかないのでしょうか。

宜しくお願い致します。

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adachitech7
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@towacadcam さん、

 

アドインの操作については作者に直接問い合わせた方がいいのではないかと思います。

 

https://involutegearsoft.blogspot.com/

 

画面から見る限り設定の項目はグレーアウトしていないので入力可能な感じがするのですが、、、

Bunga777
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歯車は奥が深くて難しいですよねぇ、ネジのように単純明快なら良いんですがねぇ。

以前こちらに詳しい方が出入りされていたんですが、足立さんが貼ってくれたプラグインの作者の方だったかなぁ?

 

私の少ない知識だと、モジュールと歯数以外で外形が変化するのは圧力角と転移だと思うんですが、圧力角ではそれほど変わらないので、転移で合わせるしか無いと思うんです。添付していただいているスクショには転移が設定されていますが、こちらの数値は先方から提示されているものでしょうか?

もし @towacadcam の計算で合わないのならば、歯車の規格を出されているお得意様に問い合わせして形状をすり合わせるか、お知り合いの歯車業者に聞いてみるのも良いかも知れないです。

adachitech7
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@towacadcam さん、

 

歯車のパラメータを変えられないというのはアドインソフトの操作ではなく、仕様の指定があるからということですかね?

 

もしそうだったら一度実際に大径切り取り、小径肉盛りを行ってからアセンブリを組んで確認してみてはどうでしょうか。

 

下図のものはSpurgearアドインで作ったもので、切り取り、肉盛りを行っています。

歯数、モジュールが合えば一応噛み合いますが、実際これでいいのかどうかはちょっと分からない感じですね。

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    towacadcam
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    おっしゃる通り、仕様の指定があります。

    Spurgearも使ってみます。

    アセンブリの動画感動しました、使用したことがないですが、試してみます。

     

    アドインの開発者にも問い合わせてみます。

    URLもありがとうございます。

     

    あとは先方に、dxfなどデータの支給は可能か問い合わせをしているので、

    もし頂けたら自分で切り盛りしたものと照合したいと思っています。

     

    ありがとうございます。

    towacadcam
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    Bunga777様 ありがとうございます。

    作者の方がいらしてたんですね!

    転移や大径小径など全て先方からの指示があります。

    全て指定してあるのでありがたいのですが、全て指定通りに描く技術がなく、

    試行錯誤しております。

    先方に、データを提供していただけるか確認中なので、もし頂けたら

    切り盛りして描いたものと差異が無いか見てみようと思っています。

     

    ありがとうございます。

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    jsugano_igears
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    アドイン「igears」および途中で紹介のあった「歯車諸元設計ソフト」の作者です。

     

    「igears」では歯先径の変更はサポートしていませんが、カットする分にはご提案の方法と設計したものの間に違いはありません。歯底径は、「頂隙係数」の調整範囲内で拡大することができますが、相手歯先とのクリアランスが縮まります。

    力技としては、igearsの各歯車のタイムラインを巻き戻し、スケッチでインボリュート歯形を書き換えて、タイムラインを戻すと3Dモデルにも反映されます。

    「諸元設計ソフト」のほうは、入力欄をスクロールしていくと、歯先径・歯底径の入力欄が表れます。指定の直径を入力して、Fusionに転送し、付属のスクリプトを走らせると、「igears」と同様の3Dモデルが完成します。

    下図の例は、標準歯車の歯のたけが2.25モジュールなのに対して、1.45モジュールとして作成したものです。

     

    形状に対して細かい指示があるとのことですが、本ソフトは基本的にJISで規定されるラック歯形に基づいたものです。NC加工や3Dプリンタ向けでは自由な歯元形状が加工できるので、本ソフトの形状とは違うことがあります。以上です。

    towacadcam
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    @jsugano_igears  ありがとうございます。

    カットする分には問題が無いのですね、ありがとうございます。

    タイムラインを戻して編集するのは、歯車の概要を理解できでない自分には厳しそうです。

     

    歯車諸元設計ソフトの存在に気づいていませんでした。

    インストールし使用してみましたが素晴らしいソフトですね。

     

    先方からは金型の諸元だけが送られてきているのですが、その諸元通り入力し計算すると、

    歯型管理直径という部分が入力元の諸元と計算結果でずれが出てきます。

     

    この歯型管理直径というものは相手歯車によってずれていくものなのでしょうか?

    計算に入力しているのは小歯車のみで、大歯車は表示させず、入力値もデフォルトのままです。

     

    宜しくお願い致します。

     

     

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    jsugano_igears
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    当方のソフトにおける歯形管理径は、相手歯先がもっとも深く自歯車の歯元に接触するときの、自歯車上の半径で、かみ合い開始時の歯元側接触半径として求めます。
    この径が中心距離や相手歯先径のばらつきを考慮済みの数値かどうかは、会社やソフトの定義次第です。このソフトは考慮していません。

    その意味は、歯形検査における基準位置というのもありますが、インボリュート面はここまで絶対に確保してねということでもあります。隅肉曲線部とインボリュート曲線部のつなぎ目の半径は、これより歯元側になければなりません。

    ということで、回答としては相手歯車によって決まる数値ということです。会社によって定義が異なることが多いので、確認をお勧めします。以上です。

    towacadcam
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    @jsugano_igears 

    定義によっても色々変化する場所なんですね。

    まだ各名称の意味を勉強しないといけないですが、

    ダウンロードさせて頂いたソフトを使用し、計算結果を先方に確認しながらすり合わせていきたいと思います。

     

    ありがとうございました。

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    We use Naver to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Naver. Ads are based on both Naver data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Naver has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Naver to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Naver Privacy Policy
    Quantcast
    We use Quantcast to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Quantcast. Ads are based on both Quantcast data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Quantcast has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Quantcast to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Quantcast Privacy Policy
    Call Tracking
    We use Call Tracking to provide customized phone numbers for our campaigns. This gives you faster access to our agents and helps us more accurately evaluate our performance. We may collect data about your behavior on our sites based on the phone number provided. Call Tracking Privacy Policy
    Wunderkind
    We use Wunderkind to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Wunderkind. Ads are based on both Wunderkind data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Wunderkind has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Wunderkind to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Wunderkind Privacy Policy
    ADC Media
    We use ADC Media to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by ADC Media. Ads are based on both ADC Media data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that ADC Media has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to ADC Media to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. ADC Media Privacy Policy
    AgrantSEM
    We use AgrantSEM to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by AgrantSEM. Ads are based on both AgrantSEM data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that AgrantSEM has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to AgrantSEM to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. AgrantSEM Privacy Policy
    Bidtellect
    We use Bidtellect to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Bidtellect. Ads are based on both Bidtellect data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Bidtellect has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Bidtellect to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Bidtellect Privacy Policy
    Bing
    We use Bing to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Bing. Ads are based on both Bing data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Bing has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Bing to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Bing Privacy Policy
    G2Crowd
    We use G2Crowd to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by G2Crowd. Ads are based on both G2Crowd data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that G2Crowd has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to G2Crowd to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. G2Crowd Privacy Policy
    NMPI Display
    We use NMPI Display to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by NMPI Display. Ads are based on both NMPI Display data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that NMPI Display has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to NMPI Display to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. NMPI Display Privacy Policy
    VK
    We use VK to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by VK. Ads are based on both VK data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that VK has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to VK to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. VK Privacy Policy
    Adobe Target
    We use Adobe Target to test new features on our sites and customize your experience of these features. To do this, we collect behavioral data while you’re on our sites. This data may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, your IP address or device ID, your Autodesk ID, and others. You may experience a different version of our sites based on feature testing, or view personalized content based on your visitor attributes. Adobe Target Privacy Policy
    Google Analytics (Advertising)
    We use Google Analytics (Advertising) to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Google Analytics (Advertising). Ads are based on both Google Analytics (Advertising) data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Google Analytics (Advertising) has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Google Analytics (Advertising) to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Google Analytics (Advertising) Privacy Policy
    Trendkite
    We use Trendkite to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Trendkite. Ads are based on both Trendkite data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Trendkite has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Trendkite to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Trendkite Privacy Policy
    Hotjar
    We use Hotjar to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Hotjar. Ads are based on both Hotjar data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Hotjar has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Hotjar to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Hotjar Privacy Policy
    6 Sense
    We use 6 Sense to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by 6 Sense. Ads are based on both 6 Sense data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that 6 Sense has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to 6 Sense to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. 6 Sense Privacy Policy
    Terminus
    We use Terminus to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Terminus. Ads are based on both Terminus data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Terminus has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Terminus to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Terminus Privacy Policy
    StackAdapt
    We use StackAdapt to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by StackAdapt. Ads are based on both StackAdapt data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that StackAdapt has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to StackAdapt to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. StackAdapt Privacy Policy
    The Trade Desk
    We use The Trade Desk to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by The Trade Desk. Ads are based on both The Trade Desk data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that The Trade Desk has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to The Trade Desk to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. The Trade Desk Privacy Policy
    RollWorks
    We use RollWorks to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by RollWorks. Ads are based on both RollWorks data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that RollWorks has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to RollWorks to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. RollWorks Privacy Policy

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