Simulation is unrelistic

Simulation is unrelistic

ry4n8r
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Simulation is unrelistic

ry4n8r
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I'm trying to model part of a structure I built and run a simulation on it to see what it does under loads. only problem is it doesn't seem to be behaving realistically.

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this is a side view of the structure, there is a force applied to the end of the arm shown and the bottom beam is constrained. In the simulation, it appears that the rear cable is under compression, but in real life this is under tension. Any ideas on the cause of this? everything is a part of a rigid group, is that messing something up? 

  

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TheCADWhisperer
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@ry4n8r wrote:

...it appears that the rear cable is under compression, but in real life this is under tension.   


Where are you getting this information?

Can you File>Export your *.f3d file to your local drive and then Attach it here to a Reply?

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wmhazzard
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If the arm is rigidly attached to the column then the cable will be in compression, the arm has to be free to move. 

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John_Holtz
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Hi @ry4n8r 

 

It looks to me that the "cable" is bending due to the rotation of the arm. My guess is that you did not model a cable which would be pinned at each end and only transmit an axial load. You modeled a solid rod that is rigidly welded to the arm (and rigidly welded to the  base, too) which can transmit moments and axial loads.

 

The limited element types in Fusion cannot model a cable element as would be done in other software (by adding a cable element).  To have your "cable" transmit axial loads but no moments, you need to add a clevis to each end, then model the pin that goes through the clevis and arm, then use separation contact between the pin and holes. It is an "expensive" way to do it because of the number of elements and time required to calculate all the contact. If Fusion is your only option, then the cost does not matter. If you have Inventor Nastran, you should do the analysis and use a rod element (can transmit tension and compression) or a cable element (can only transmit tension).

 

@wmhazzard answer is also correct. The arm is moving downward, so the "cable" and vertical column are both in compression. Since the "cable" is a solid rod, it can resist compression and tension. The results are correct for what you modeled.

 

John



John Holtz, P.E.

Global Product Support
Autodesk, Inc.


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