Sheet Metal: Generating flat pattern keeps using an angled surface to align it (incorrectly)

Sheet Metal: Generating flat pattern keeps using an angled surface to align it (incorrectly)

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Sheet Metal: Generating flat pattern keeps using an angled surface to align it (incorrectly)

youcangetme
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I am trying to generate a flat patterned for a sheet metal part and no matter which surface I select it will generate the flat pattern and align the angled surface as flat to the bottom of the DXF. Thus the laser cutters automated system can't neatly nest the items as its now crooked. For them to go in and manually change that they charge my butt off.

 

Why the heck would the flat pattern generator do this? If you are going to do that, put a dern switch to turn that off!

 

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Warmingup1953
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Doesn't sound very Automated! Let me download and delve.

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HughesTooling
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Here's a workaround. I created a simple L bracket first then added the tapered part.

 

Edit. Your sketch is not fully constrained by the way, the parallel section length is not set.

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Warmingup1953
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Yes, not sure why that is.

As a workaround, I created a new body from the unfolded and aligned as desired. Do you need bend lines in the file you send to laser guys?Nesting_Center_Web_Client.jpg

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HughesTooling
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Just experimenting with my workaround. Found you need to delete the existing flat pattern then create a new on at this point.

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Then roll to the end of the timeline and activate the flat pattern. 

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youcangetme
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Yes, the bend lines are required. This is a cut and fold op. The laser cutter guys want a single item per DXF so their nesting algorithm can optimize the batch.

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youcangetme
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Crazy thing is this same part has been produced before and was straight in those files. Either this is a new feature or I saved the file again recently and something old finally got its claws into that file, don't know.

 

To me, this is a very bad "feature." If I want it to slant like that in the dern DXF I will make it slant like that on purpose. But to just blindly force me into that is outrageous. And to just pick the bottom slant instead of the top?

 

So I did a bunch of tests and there is a point where if the slant becomes a major feature in the part the DXF output is just garbage. It aligns it and there is no way to stop it. I am shocked nobody else has complained.

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HughesTooling
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This has been a problem for a long time. In the past the problem was creating a 2d drawing and trying to align the flat pattern. As you've found the longest edge is used when you first create the flat pattern, if you have an example where you've seen something else that would be interesting.

 

Can you open an old version of this file where the flat pattern is not rotated? Once the flat pattern is created it should not change as long as it's not deleted then recreated.

 

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HughesTooling
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Another workaround is create the angled flange long and create the flat pattern, then go back and edit the flange to the correct length. As the flat pattern was create with the extra long edge it still uses the same edge after the edit.

Create the flat pattern here in the design.

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Flat pattern after the edit is still aligned correctly.

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Mark

 

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Warmingup1953
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Ah....I hadn't thought about the longest edge setting hierarchy rather than Sketch or Body alignment.
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TheCADWhisperer
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In Autodesk Inventor Professional you can Align any desired edge horizontally, vertically or any angle needed.

This functionality has existed since before Fusion existed.

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laughingcreek
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I agree the alignment of the flat pattern is stupid and would benefit from some upgrading

but-


@youcangetme wrote:

... For them to go in and manually change that they charge my butt off...


I only ever encounter this once per service.  Then it's on to another service who is competent.  And let's face it, they are either incompetent, or dishonest. It doesn't matter which, either is a good enough reason to move on.  

 

 

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youcangetme
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I wouldn't consider them incompetent. It is the fact they are charging me for human intervention. When you upload that design their ERP system is taking those files and nesting them for the laser cutter. That is how they can quote me a price on the spot.

 

Now you got my sad sack sticking things into that system and suddenly the price quote I made to my client is wrong. Why? Because I am cutting an irregular shape and thus taking up more space on that sheet.

 

I get all bent up (pun intended) and call them, "why you charging me more?" Because I'm an idiot, not cuz they are incompetent.

 

So I ask them what it would take to fix it? That is a custom quote. That is a human in there fixing it. The part went form $1.53 to $2.78. Now they have to make a custom sheet and nesting. Nobody else parts will be cut on that sheet and thus my cost grows. That $1.53 was because my parts could fit with a bunch of other people's stuff. By myself, well...

 

I got over this though. I imported the DXF back into F360 as a drawing and then rotated it and exported it back out again as a DXF.

 

They should fix this though. This is just silly.

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r_vandenberghRHYKF
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Hello, 

 

I had the same issue and with some parts i produced but with me the reason seemed to be the A-side definition, i turned it off and the part was fixed.

 

kind regards

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