Problem with a sketch line arc

Problem with a sketch line arc

Ezekiel12
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Problem with a sketch line arc

Ezekiel12
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Hi,

Im testing the Fusion 360 a bit more for our students to create them materials in our Czech language. And I found this problem. I am able to do this simple sketch in Inventor in one line command without any interruption. But not in Fusion. The Arc part is impossible to make in Fusion. Is that on purpose? It seems more like a bug.

 

Thx,

Matt

 

Inventor correct sketch:

http://i.imgur.com/kIMo3dM.gif

 

 

 

Fusion 360 not working test:

http://i.imgur.com/h0d3tw9.gif

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Ezekiel12
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Anyone any idea? Is that a bug or intention? 

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cekuhnen
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@Ezekiel12

 

Inventor and Fusion do not use the same sketch engine.

 

It seems Inventor allows you to sketch draw a perpendicular arc while with Fusion you can sketch tangent transitions nicely.

 

So I think for what you want you need to use the arc tool and then constrain it perpendicular to the line end!

Claas Kuhnen

Faculty Industrial Design – Wayne State Universit

Chair Interior Design – Wayne State University

Owner studioKuhnen – product : interface : design

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Hi Ezekiel,

I would suggest it is a shortcoming rather than a bug. The only way to what you want in Fusion360 is to first draw the tangent line at the top of your vertical line i.e. a horizontal line in your example and then use the Arc --> Tangent Arc tool.

Regards

John 

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cekuhnen
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@Anonymous That drafting wise can work but it seems not logical. Inventor like Fusion 360 use constraint sketches.

 

most cases when using the line tool people need to draw an arc tangent to a drawn line for mechanical shapes / designs.

 

Because this will also add the tangent constraint it makes more sense to draw a line then draw the arc and via the perpendicular

constraint or 90 degree angle constraint set the arc perpendicular to the line and not tangent to a helper line to make it perpendicular.

Claas Kuhnen

Faculty Industrial Design – Wayne State Universit

Chair Interior Design – Wayne State University

Owner studioKuhnen – product : interface : design

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Agreed. Are you saying that is how Fusion 360 should ideally work? At the moment with my somewhat limited experience with Fusion, I can see no way to constrain an arc in such a manner.

Regards

John

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TheCADWhisperer
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@Ezekiel12 wrote:

Anyone any idea?  


 

Might be a good idea to add to the IdeaStation.

 

 

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cekuhnen
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Not via direct sketching with the line tool

but that is an unusual task

most times I draw the arc and then use the perpendicular constraint!

You know how to use that?

Let me know I can make a video for you!


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Claas Kuhnen

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Chair Interior Design – Wayne State University

Owner studioKuhnen – product : interface : design

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Hi Claas,

I see no way to apply such a constraint to an arc in Fusion, so if it is not too much trouble a little video would be much appreciated.

Many thanks

John

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Ezekiel12
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Hi @TheCADWhisperer

 

Thx fot comparison with Solidworks. Maybe you can add your video to ideastation? It's more explanatory for the Autodesk dev team what we are talking here about. 

 

I really think that this behaviour should be also in fusion sketch.

 

Thx,

Matt

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Agreed @Ezekiel12 , I second that suggestion.

Regards

John

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HughesTooling
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@johnKLUQK wrote:

I see no way to apply such a constraint to an arc in Fusion

Regards

John


 

To draw an arc perpendicular to a line use the Arc center point arc and when it asks for a centre point pick somewhere on the line, try to avoid the midpointSmiley Happy, then pick the endpoint of the line as the start of the arc. 

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If you already have the arc just apply a coninsident constraint, first pick the arc centre the pick on the line.

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Ezekiel12
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Yes, this is possible, but it is like scrathing with right hand on left ear... 🙂

 

In other CAD is more easier and straight forward way which should be also here. 

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JDMather
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@Ezekiel12 wrote:

Hi @TheCADWhisperer

 

Thx fot comparison with Solidworks. Maybe you can add your video to ideastation? It's more explanatory for the Autodesk dev team what we are talking here about. 


You must have missed the comparison with Autodesk Inventor in the video.  Autodesk has 30 yrs in the business - if they need to have  functionality explained that is already in their similar product I could be busy for quite a while, ....well I think maybe they should have their teams get together and communicate.

 

Then again, I expect a bit more functionality in my Cadillac than I would expect in a similar Chevy even though GM builds both.

Most businesses have similar products of differing grades for differing markets. 


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Ezekiel12
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Hi @JDMather , 

sorry for that I really didn't mean it like that. Just that his video was better then my gifs 🙂 

 

 

I understand your Cadillac and Chevy comparison, but we are not talking about sheet metal, or complex pipe system or gear generators or any of these complex things that are in Inventor. It's just basic sketch thing that saves time and at least I am teaching my students in Inventor as absolutely basic. 🙂 That's how I'm looking at that. 

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cekuhnen
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@Ezekiel12

 

Sorry for the delay and miss information. The perpendicular constraint does not work with the arc - I quoted the process of a different application.

 

But basic geometry tells you that to make an arc perpendicular to a line you need to have the end point of the arc + the center point of the arc to

be on the line.

 

Secondary as mentioned one could also add a helper line and make the arc tangent to that line but that adds an additional line to the sketch

which in time when repeated a lot makes sketches needlessly heavy.

 

Here is a screencast showing both ideas:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Byzv_NlyKp_2SDQ4MWl0X1FoVW8/view

 

Let me know if this helps!

 

 

One thing you need to understand about Fusion is that it focuses on fast and most common workflows.

 

 

Line to tangent arc is the most common approach when sketching it at once with the line tool.

However sketches are most times always roughly put down and then via dimensions and constraints you start adjusting the sketch as needed.

As stated then adding an arc and via constraints positioning it as needed is only a natural step.

 

 

 

Obviously being able to sketch an arc with the mouse direction tangent or perpendicular from a line is nice but doing it the way with constraints is

not really that much of a different approach either. In addition the student will learn about basic geometry in addition.

 

I find very often that this is what students lack and then when they have to approach a creative problem from a different angle they do not see the solution"s" in-front of them.

 

Essentially we are talking only about a different approach and not a time consuming work around!

Claas Kuhnen

Faculty Industrial Design – Wayne State Universit

Chair Interior Design – Wayne State University

Owner studioKuhnen – product : interface : design

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Anonymous
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Thank you very much for the screen cast. It is always informative to learn alternative methods for even what seems the simplest of tasks.

I think all has been cleared up regarding this "issue".

Regards & once again thank you,

John

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