Over Constrained Sketch error message when it isn't!

Over Constrained Sketch error message when it isn't!

oyaroygoldman
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Over Constrained Sketch error message when it isn't!

oyaroygoldman
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I am getting the Over-constrained Sketch error message when I try to apply a dimension between a new line and an existing one, but there is no constraint applied to the new line except horizontal. What could be causing this?

 

I am attaching the file here - the line I am trying to define is the horizontal construction line in the top of the sketch. I am trying to apply a dimension between it and the first line below it. 

 

https://a360.co/41YCdXd

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TrippyLighting
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How would you determine hat this sketch isn't over constrained?

My recommendation would be to break this sketch into several smaller sketches and also avoid mirroring too many sketch objects.
 


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oyaroygoldman
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Thanks for the reply. 

 

That is what I ended up doing - I started a new sketch for that upper section, projecting some of the geometry I had already done. 

I am pretty new to Fusion and still figuring out when to start a new sketch. 

 

I was thinking the sketch wasn't over constrained because the line I was attempting to dimension wasn't constrained at all, beyond a "horizontal" constraint. I tried re-defining some of the lines I was trying to constrain the new line to, thinking perhaps the dimensions driving them were the issue. I even tried deleting and redrawing them with new dimensional constraints. When I went to redraw them, adding dimensions to them also resulted in an "over constrained sketch" error. 

 

Do you think the sketch mirroring I did is the problem? It does seem a bit messy to mirror mirrors like I did, but the lines I was dealing with weren't constrained to those mirrored sketch elements at all, as far as I could see. 

 

I guess I have the solution now, but I am still curious as to how these kinds of issues arise. Seems like every day a new problem emerges with doing something I swore I did exactly the same the day before. I guess that's learnin' for ya!


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TheCADWhisperer
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@oyaroygoldman wrote:

 

Do you think the sketch mirroring I did is the problem?


(Almost) never ever use sketch mirror. Not necessary.

Mirror Features, Faces, Bodies or Components instead.

Duplicating dimensions is unnecessary work too.

Using Thin Feature Extrude and Mirror of Feature you could dramatically simplify this sketch.

White dots and blue lines should keep you awake at night.

 

Repeated dimensions like this are a sure sign that you are doing too much work.

TheCADWhisperer_0-1758248823323.png

 

And wayyyy too many symmetry (mirror constraints).

 

How much interest do you have in learning to do this right? (I ask this question because most beginners I ask this question quickly abandoned the discussion.)

Thin Feature and Feature Pattern (Feature Mirror is a type of Feature Pattern) will become your best friends.

 

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TheCADWhisperer
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@oyaroygoldman 

See Attached for start of best practices...

 

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oyaroygoldman
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Thanks!

I am absolutely interested in learning better methods and habits.

 

I will look into Thin Feature, thats something I haven't really experimented with. 

As for Feature Mirror - I tend to use that more than sketch mirrors, but on this particular project there is a lot of symmetry in different areas of the design and I didn't want to end up with a mess of planes. I guess I need to develop better strategies for defining planes parametrically. 

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oyaroygoldman
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Thank you for doing this, it gives me a good standard to check against. Can you explain why the line in question couldn't be defined, though?

I solved my problem by creating a new sketch for that area (and sketched something much closer to your level of simplicity, I'm happy to say), but I still can't understand why that one line couldn't be defined.

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TheCADWhisperer
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@oyaroygoldman wrote:

I didn't want to end up with a mess of planes. 


@oyaroygoldman 

I rarely create any workplanes. Almost all of my geometry is created in the Origin planes in any project I do.

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oyaroygoldman
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Got it! So there is clearly a trick I'm missing. You can see where all my sketch mirrors are reflecting over sketch lines. If it wasn't obvious, was under the impression that in order to create symmetrical features in solid space I would need to mirror features over planes. Some of those planes would have to be offset from the origin planes. So how do I do that without generating new planes? I would look up youtube tutorials but I don't even know how to search that. 

 

Thank you for all your help. 

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TheCADWhisperer
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@oyaroygoldman 

I will continue on this project as I find time.

For this particular project I will have to create a couple of workplanes but overall it will be dramatically simplified compared to your original sketch.

One difficulty for me is that I have no idea where you are going with this design.

Do you have a picture of something similar that already exists in the real world?

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TheCADWhisperer
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@oyaroygoldman wrote:

...I still can't understand why that one line couldn't be defined.


This same issue comes up here very frequently - there have been a "rash" of posts on this just in the last 3 weeks.

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Any sketch that has this many symmetry constraints is unstable and unpredictable.

Users get mad at me or mad at Fusion.  Rest assured that there is a more computationally efficient technique that is less work for Fusion and far less work for the designer.

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oyaroygoldman
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That's ok. I appreciate all your help so far. I have already completed this part of the design, and unfortunately I am not allowed to share the whole model. When I have time I will create a new project with similar challenges - if you would be open to looking at that one, I would appreciate it but no problem if that's asking too much. You have already been helpful. 

 

I was hoping someone would be able to explain why I got the Over Constrained error I did in the first place (I understand that I made too complicated of a sketch - what I don't understand is how otherwise unconstrained elements couldn't be constrained, or how previously constrained elements wouldn't allow themselves to be constrained even when I released all constraints applied to them. 

 

When it sounded like you were saying that you could mirror things without adding work planes, I was keen to learn that trick, but it sounds like this project - which has a lot of symmetry across different areas - is one that requires some additional work planes, which is a little more messy for me, but sounds much simpler for Fusion to calculate. 

 

Since you asked, this project is a scroll worked gate that doesn't look like the one shown (for IP reasons) but has similar symmetry requirements. 

 

Gate Designs _ Designer Gate Designs _ Historic Gates.jpeg

 

 

 

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oyaroygoldman
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I totally see that!

And after working through this project and discussing with you and Trippy in this thread I see there are a number of ways to simplify the sketches. 

I am most certainly not mad at you. 

I would love if Fusion were better at showing what specifically is problematic when it comes to calculation errors and constraint conflicts, although I recognize there are many situations where that would be tantamount to mind reading. 

 

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