Negative offset in sketch not working

Negative offset in sketch not working

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Negative offset in sketch not working

Anonymous
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Hi,

 

Fusion updated this morning (11 June 2018) and now I cannot offset in the negative direction in a sketch.

 

I can enter the minus sign and the offset value but nothing happens. Usually when the minus sign is entered the offset line offsets to the other side. Not any more.

 

I can however drag the offset line to the negative side, and then type in an offset value

 

I have already tried to restart fusion - the same thing happens.

 

I just know that someone is going to say  - "Well, what is the problem?"

 

The problem, from my point of view, is that you are adding an extra step into the process.

 

1. Select offset.

2. Check whether "chain selection" is ticked or not.

3. Select line to offset.

4. Drag line to correct side for offset.

5. Enter offset value.

6. repeat as required.

 

Can this not be an either/or - with the option of dragging the offset line to the other side OR entering a negative offset value?

 

Regards,

 

Brett

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Message 21 of 41

mavigogun
Advisor
Advisor

@Anonymous wrote:

Go ahead and fire me ("whatever that means") because I don't want- *snip*



 Your outsized, misplaced outrage in post #12 was referenced- here, for your convenience:



@Anonymous wrote:
This is a MASSIVE workflow hinderance. Whoever thought this was a good idea should be fired


"Massive"- really?   If you dial all your rhetoric up to 10, you'll just get tuned out.    It doesn't come across as reasoned.

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Message 22 of 41

Anonymous
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Well that's welcome news!

 

Just remember, to some of us the "-" key is a keyboard shortcut also...

 

🙂

 

Greg

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Message 23 of 41

Anonymous
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Came across this thread when encountering the issue while doing an online course that uses older version where negative offsets work. 

 

Anyway, just want to report a further possible issue with the "flip" button. It doesnt seem to work on offset values of 1. 

Creating an offset of smaller or larger than one, the flip works. If the value is one the offset is outside the reference line, but flipping it brings it to the reference line, not 1 mm inside. If I drag it in and then enter 1 it goes back to being on the reference line. Other values work as does dragging but then of course it is not accurate. 

Bear in mind this is all new to me . 

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Message 24 of 41

TheCADWhisperer
Consultant
Consultant

I am not sure I understand the behavior that you describe.

Can you create a Screencast Recording of what you are seeing?

 

Can you simply drag the offset inside or outside an arbitrary distance and then double click the dimension to edit to match the Design Intent?

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Message 25 of 41

Anonymous
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Ok, I posted this reply before and edited it twice and yet it's missing now! 

Is it just me that can't seem to get along with Autodesks' website interfaces? 

 

I am trying to offset a closed curve with an offset of 1mm

When I drag the line in it works, but as soon as I edit it to a value of 1 the offset jumps to the original line and gives "geometry not created" error or something like that. Larger and smaller than 1 work. 

An offset of 1 to the outside of my original line also works. 

In the screencast I test at 3 values (0.5 , 1 and 2 I believe) 

 

Regards

James

 

 

 

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Message 26 of 41

jeff_strater
Community Manager
Community Manager

It could be geometry-specific.  Can you share that file here?  Also, what happens if you type in "1", and then click on the "flip" button?  Does that give the same error?  I tried to create some similar geometry, and the value of 1 seems to work for me:

 

 

 


Jeff Strater
Engineering Director
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Message 27 of 41

Anonymous
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Hi. Yes the flip button does the same thing. I also thought it may be the
geometry.

Will share the file when I'm back at my PC

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Message 28 of 41

sjnoble
Participant
Participant

I'm very apprehensive to even post here I'm so new to Fusion.  Found this thread after attempting to follow a tutorial I found on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qTcZ8ynk4U&t=482s   At 7.5-8 minutes the author describes a 1mm offset and a 2nd 1mm offset inside the first; using the original rectangle as the starting or reference point.  I've downloaded Fusion for the first time within the past week.  So I guess it's the latest version 2018.  It won't let me create a second 1mm offset inside the first.  The author of the tube posted in 2017. 

 

I see in this thread a Fusion Manager describing a fix on 11-1-2018, about 3 months ago.  Can anybody here shed some light on this subject of Offset in Sketch? 

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Message 29 of 41

TrippyLighting
Consultant
Consultant

@sjnoble wrote:

I'm very apprehensive to even post here I'm so new to Fusion. 


No, that's fine. You have observed this correctly that Autodesk decided to "fix" a part of the offset tool that did not really need any fixing and in the process made the tool a little less intuitive to use.

 

However, in general the older the tutorials are the higher the likelihood is that you'll find deviations between the tutorials the the Fusion 360 UI. IN case go the offset tool the changes were a little unfortunate, but they have really improved the UI in other areas. E.g. they unified the previous Rule Fillet and (normal) Filet into one tool.

Don't let that distract you too much from completing the tutorials.

 

 


EESignature

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Message 30 of 41

jeff_strater
Community Manager
Community Manager

The good news is that this has been fixed in our internal development build.  The bad news is that it has not made its way out into the world yet.  It should appear in the next "major" update (not counting any bug fix updates that may go out).  Sorry for the wait...

 


Jeff Strater
Engineering Director
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Message 31 of 41

Anonymous
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5bc9c3S12g&t=1057s

The negative offset is essential for correct parametric setting as shown in this tutorial. Please reinstate.

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Message 32 of 41

rohit.bapat
Autodesk
Autodesk

Hello All,

 

I am glad to give the update on this issue that the negative input for offset is back in Sketch in the latest release/update of Fusion 360.

 

Thank you,

Best Regards

Rohit Bapat

 

Product Owner

(rohit.bapat@autodesk.com)





Rohit Bapat
Product Owner
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Message 33 of 41

Anonymous
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Agreed.  It is now 7/29/2020 and it is still here.  I may be a newbie but preventing me from drawing a line from positive to negative in a sketch seems a bit off.  Simply put, my starting point is positive and I want to go negative.  

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Message 34 of 41

jeff_strater
Community Manager
Community Manager

the issue reported here is working correctly.  Sketch offset does, indeed allow negative values.

 


Jeff Strater
Engineering Director
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Message 35 of 41

ritste20
Collaborator
Collaborator

@jeff_strater 

 

Something that would be nice to see is the ability to offset geometry two or more times in a sketch based on how you plan to dimension or constrain the geometry. I don't see any reason why you shouldn't be able to offset the sketch lines an infinite number of times, as long as the sketch engine can solve the resulting geometry its basically just constraining the offset to a different seed each time.

 

See pic below.

2nd offset error.jpg

Steve Ritter
Manufacturing Engineer

AutoCAD/Draftsight
Inventor/Solidworks
Fusion 360
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Message 36 of 41

jeff_strater
Community Manager
Community Manager

this has been debated for a long time.  Here is part of the problem why it is not as trivial as it might seem.  Here is a sketch loop:

Screen Shot 2020-07-30 at 4.33.29 PM.png

 

offset it inwards, you get:

Screen Shot 2020-07-30 at 4.31.27 PM.png

 

Offset that offset outward again, what do you expect?  This?

Screen Shot 2020-07-30 at 4.32.19 PM.png

 

then, what happens if you edit the original offset to this:

Screen Shot 2020-07-30 at 4.35.51 PM.png

now, the outward offset of that inner offset needs to change from two disconnected loops of 4 lines to one connected loop of 8 lines.  And, that is just a simple case.  Add in splines, where one curve offset can result in N curves, and it gets even messier.

 

All of it is possible ("a mere matter of programming"), but so far, it has not risen enough in importance to justify the high cost, since there is a workaround (offset the original again).


Jeff Strater
Engineering Director
Message 37 of 41

ritste20
Collaborator
Collaborator

@jeff_strater 

While I can appreciate the business case for leaving things the way they are, it becomes a matter of design intent. If the software could design everything for me, I would be out of a job. What I'm getting at is that when I sketch my geometry I dimension and constrain things the way that I expect them to react when I tweak the design.

 

Ex: If I adjust dimension "A" I know that "B" and "C" will change to fit but "D" will remain the same because of how I defined in relation to "A".These sketches are just your daily dose of random, they don't mean anything except to illustrate that I, as the designer want to be able to dimension my geometry so that it reacts to my changes. The reference dimensions are calculated values based on how I tweak the rest of the sketch.

 

Image1.jpg

Image2.jpg

 

If the problem is that is too complicated to program for real-time drag edits, then the functionality could be limited to what Fusion can concurrently solve without rebuilding the sketch similar to every other tool that has the ability to drag control points and edit dimensions. If you direct edit a fillet and make the radius too big, it stops the movement of the drag handle. Am I right?

Steve Ritter
Manufacturing Engineer

AutoCAD/Draftsight
Inventor/Solidworks
Fusion 360
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Message 38 of 41

Luis_A_Molina
Participant
Participant

Hey all,

 

I'm having the same problem, and IT IS A PROBLEM.

 

Here I explain an example of why:

When I'm doing a configured design, if I need the distance to change to the opposite direction between configurations, I can´t do it. There's the problem, folks...

 

It's really frustrating, please take notes about this and talk about it for your next update!

 

Thank you for your support,

Luis

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Message 39 of 41

g-andresen
Consultant
Consultant

Hi,

I have just tested it and cannot confirm your observation.

 

Please share the file for reply.

File > export > save as f3d on local drive  > attach to post

 

günther

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Message 40 of 41

ritste20
Collaborator
Collaborator
I haven’t had a chance to try it but can you do a configured feature each direction and selectively suppress one or the other?

Just a thought.

Regards,
Steve Ritter
Manufacturing Engineer

AutoCAD/Draftsight
Inventor/Solidworks
Fusion 360
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