Local render vs token's price

[mac_ito]

The number (price) of tokens needed to render a motion study is really really expensive..

Moreover in the motion study it is possible to adjust the speed of the animation 1 to 5 sec, but during a rendering it is not possible to modify this value, what is the speed applied during a rendering?

thank you for giving us the possibility to make these renderings locally or in the cloud!!

[mac_ito]

@jeff_strater how do you justify such an exorbitant price?

[TrippyLighting]

I'd recommend some literature "The myth of fair value"

[jeff_strater]

I have very little say over what get implemented in Fusion these days (I don't even work directly on Fusion anymore, but I still like to come here to try to help people and answer what questions I can).  But, I sure as anything don't have any influence over pricing.

[wmhazzard]

@jeff_strater Are there any management level people on this board?

[mac_ito]

thank you for giving us the possibility to make these renderings locally or in the cloud!!

[mac_ito]

315$ to render 5 sec, on which planet do your leaders live?

If it is not possible to render locally, it is no longer possible to simulate locally, why install fusion in hardware?

[mac_ito]

"But, I sure as anything don't have any influence over pricing."

sorry I didn't understand the meaning of the sentence, could you elaborate?

[TrippyLighting]

@mac_ito 

Jeff is a software architect and as far as I understand the director of software development for the Fusion 360 team

@jeff_strater please correct me it I misrepresented something.

That role does not include decisions on pricing and, as Jeff states, also does not include decisions as to what features get implemented.

Jeff should be considered a role model for any and all of the Fusion 360 team members, but particularly further up the management levels. Jeff participates here on a daily basis and exemplifies what it means to provide a service and to interact with users and customers on a daily basis.

I believe for many folks in Autodesks management levels, interacting with users like us is at best a theoretical concept, but certainly not  daily practice. It shows!

[mac_ito]

@TrippyLighting thank's but what should I conclude or what should I do?

[TrippyLighting]

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@mac_ito wrote:

@TrippyLighting thank's but what should I conclude or what should I do?

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I honestly don't know as I am struggling with that myself! 

[jeff_strater]

"thank's but what should I conclude or what should I do?"

My point was only:  Calling me out on the pricing of flex tokens will not help.  I know that you don't know the internal structure of Autodesk or Fusion, but this is not an area I have any control over.  This is the price, I can't do anything about it, sorry.

[Phil.E]

The OP is showing images that list cloud credits prices, not token prices. Cloud credits are less valuable than tokens. The premise is not accurate here.

[mac_ito]

@Phil.E where can I see this difference? Or tell me what is the ratio 1 token =? credit

[wmhazzard]

@Phil.E  It was my understanding that cloud credits have been fazed out and only tokens are available now, is this not correct? 

[mac_ito]

that's what i understood too

[mac_ito]

@Phil.E comment expliquer cette note?

if there is a difference (to the advantage of the tokens) why does it not appear here?

[mac_ito]

@Phil.E 

Anyway, that does not change the problem, $1500 for 500 tokens is extremely high and that does not justify, for me, the arguments put forward, to relocate the calculation costs me more than if I do it internally..

To give you my thoughts, the direction the merger took at the start is not the right one. We have now reached a paradox, half hardware / half cloud, it's absurd, what is next?

Just see how the competition organizes itself. All their new solutions are 100% cloud. onshape and 3Dexperience

You wanted to stand out, you had to develop a 100% cloud solution on a browser and you could thus limit development costs or do more and go faster, control the subscription price to attract the greatest number of people and despite everything please your shareholders.

It's been 6 years that I expect little extras that are not developed supposedly because there is no budget. And when I see the inertia it takes to start implementing a new function... The fusion experience will remain for me the most frustrating of all the ones I've had since I started doing CAD (2004 ), I am 37 years old.

[Phil.E]

@wmhazzard You are correct. If you have cloud credits they will remain as cloud credits on your account until next year.

[TrippyLighting]

@Phil.E 

So I currently have cloud credits and the Render settings panel shows me how many I have and how many are required for a given render. Nice!

What the FAQ for Rendering Settings and Pricing and the the Link you provided are missing is how that translates into FlexToken. A current render at 3840 x 2160 in final quality is 8 cloud credits. I have no way of determining how much that render will cost me in Flex Tokens.

In general I find the limit of free renders of 6 megapixel generous and much larger than what some other commercial render engines offer. It is definitely large enough to assess the quality of a render before one might be temped to submit a paid-for final render.