Issues with the parting line tool

[Oceanconcepts]

In exploring the parting line tool (thanks for that!), I think there are a couple of ways in which it could be made more useful. I want to verify my understanding before adding this to the Idea section.

First, it tries to split the body at a parting line, not just give me the parting line. There are two problems I have run into with this: 

1) Some complex shapes can't be split, and generate an error- actually this has been the case for most of what I have tried, splitting the body fails. If there is a penetration through the body at an angle, it may be perfectly moldable, but the splitting operation will fail. 

2) I don't necessarily want to split the entire body at the parting line- I may want to just split a section of it for a removable portion. I may not want to split it at all- but still want the parting line as a reference for a surface detail to cover mold marks

My workaround has been to chose the Split Face option, then go into Patch and create surfaces with the resulting parting line edges, I can then use either the loft command to build a surface between them, or create a sketch, project the face edges, and create a surface between the sketch curves. This enables me to have control over where I split the body along the parting line, and where I don't, and to avoid areas that would cause a single split operation to fail.  Of course, this process is problematic in the parametric environment.

Unless I'm missing something, I think this tool tries to jump ahead too much and assumes my design intent, this ends up being limiting. It requires lots of steps to get to the basic information: Where is the parting line?  What I would like it to do is to create a 3D sketch curve(s) along the parting line, and leave it up to me how I use it. To split, or not to split...

[Oceanconcepts]

In exploring the parting line tool (thanks for that!), I think there are a couple of ways in which it could be made more useful. I want to verify my understanding before adding this to the Idea section.

First, it tries to split the body at a parting line, not just give me the parting line. There are two problems I have run into with this: 

1) Some complex shapes can't be split, and generate an error- actually this has been the case for most of what I have tried, splitting the body fails. If there is a penetration through the body at an angle, it may be perfectly moldable, but the splitting operation will fail. 

2) I don't necessarily want to split the entire body at the parting line- I may want to just split a section of it for a removable portion. I may not want to split it at all- but still want the parting line as a reference for a surface detail to cover mold marks

My workaround has been to chose the Split Face option, then go into Patch and create surfaces with the resulting parting line edges, I can then use either the loft command to build a surface between them, or create a sketch, project the face edges, and create a surface between the sketch curves. This enables me to have control over where I split the body along the parting line, and where I don't, and to avoid areas that would cause a single split operation to fail.  Of course, this process is problematic in the parametric environment.

Unless I'm missing something, I think this tool tries to jump ahead too much and assumes my design intent, this ends up being limiting. It requires lots of steps to get to the basic information: Where is the parting line?  What I would like it to do is to create a 3D sketch curve(s) along the parting line, and leave it up to me how I use it. To split, or not to split...

[furutas]

Hi Ron,

I'm not sure if someone has replied to your post already, but I thought I would follow your discussion since I am an Fusion 360 Developer deeply involved with developing the Parting Line Split tool.

Thanks for the feedback and insight into how you are using the tool and what would ideally be appropriate for your workflow. I can see the benefit of a tool that only creates the parting line geometry without attempting to split the body. You've given us some good food for thought! Thank you.

In the more immediate short term, I may be able to help address your problems in point (a). It seems that you've encountered failures to split some complex models that you've tried the tool on?

We are already working hard to resolve some known problems. If you have any .f3d data that demonstrates the problems you've had, it could help us a lot and we would really appreciate you sharing them with us

(You can send me a private email by clicking on my user ID, then clicking "Send this user a private message").

Thanks!

Sugi

[furutas]

Hi Ron,

I'm not sure if someone has replied to your post already, but I thought I would follow your discussion since I am an Fusion 360 Developer deeply involved with developing the Parting Line Split tool.

Thanks for the feedback and insight into how you are using the tool and what would ideally be appropriate for your workflow. I can see the benefit of a tool that only creates the parting line geometry without attempting to split the body. You've given us some good food for thought! Thank you.

In the more immediate short term, I may be able to help address your problems in point (a). It seems that you've encountered failures to split some complex models that you've tried the tool on?

We are already working hard to resolve some known problems. If you have any .f3d data that demonstrates the problems you've had, it could help us a lot and we would really appreciate you sharing them with us

(You can send me a private email by clicking on my user ID, then clicking "Send this user a private message").

Thanks!

Sugi

[Oceanconcepts]

I'm afraid it's been too long for me to even recall exactly what file I was working on. But I know I was always able to split successfully by using the Split Faces option and the steps I described. I think for me the most useful thing is just the ability to create the parting line geometry.

[Oceanconcepts]

I'm afraid it's been too long for me to even recall exactly what file I was working on. But I know I was always able to split successfully by using the Split Faces option and the steps I described. I think for me the most useful thing is just the ability to create the parting line geometry.

[IbrahimAltiay]

Hey Ron,

Thanks for the tip. Your workaround worked for me as well.

@furutas I'll email you the model I was having issues with. I hope that can help you 🙂

Cheers,

Ibrahim

[IbrahimAltiay]

Hey Ron,

Thanks for the tip. Your workaround worked for me as well.

@furutas I'll email you the model I was having issues with. I hope that can help you 🙂

Cheers,

Ibrahim

[cekuhnen]

sad to ask but how does the parting line split tool work?

[cekuhnen]

sad to ask but how does the parting line split tool work?

[IbrahimAltiay]

From what I understand, the intent of the tool is to split a part along the most appropriate line perpendicular to the push-pull plane you specify, where the result is two parts with no undercuts.

This is useful for designing parts that need to be injection moulded.

Let me know if that's confusing and I'll attach a diagram.

Ibrahim

[IbrahimAltiay]

From what I understand, the intent of the tool is to split a part along the most appropriate line perpendicular to the push-pull plane you specify, where the result is two parts with no undercuts.

This is useful for designing parts that need to be injection moulded.

Let me know if that's confusing and I'll attach a diagram.

Ibrahim

[cekuhnen]

Yes I am still confused because I seem to only be able to split parting line along the x y z axis planes ??? So I guess I must do something wrong here!

[cekuhnen]

Yes I am still confused because I seem to only be able to split parting line along the x y z axis planes ??? So I guess I must do something wrong here!

[IbrahimAltiay]

Check out this thread, there is a video half the way down the page detailing how to use the tool.

It doesn't always work, I remodeled my part today and it worked but didn't cut the part where I expected so I still opt to splitting my parts manually.

http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/sketching-sculpting-modeling-and/need-help-on-parting-line-tool/td-p/4...

Ibrahim

[IbrahimAltiay]

Check out this thread, there is a video half the way down the page detailing how to use the tool.

It doesn't always work, I remodeled my part today and it worked but didn't cut the part where I expected so I still opt to splitting my parts manually.

http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/sketching-sculpting-modeling-and/need-help-on-parting-line-tool/td-p/4...

Ibrahim

[cekuhnen]

I am such an idiot hahaha - I missunderstood the tool as the draft tool in Alias where you can split a surface and draft into the model perpendicular along the surface. wo wo wo ....

Because it uses the term parting line I made that assumption. Maybe the tool should be better called darft split because that seems to be what it does?

[cekuhnen]

I am such an idiot hahaha - I missunderstood the tool as the draft tool in Alias where you can split a surface and draft into the model perpendicular along the surface. wo wo wo ....

Because it uses the term parting line I made that assumption. Maybe the tool should be better called darft split because that seems to be what it does?

[Oceanconcepts]

Hi Claas, sorry I missed your post earlier. But it sounds as if you have it sorted. I think the parting line terminology is good, because it is generally understood in the mold making world. But you are correct in your description, and there are many reasons why this could be useful outside making molded parts.  My issue with the tool was that I wanted to find the line, not necessarily to split the body along the line, or at least not entirely. 

[Oceanconcepts]

Hi Claas, sorry I missed your post earlier. But it sounds as if you have it sorted. I think the parting line terminology is good, because it is generally understood in the mold making world. But you are correct in your description, and there are many reasons why this could be useful outside making molded parts.  My issue with the tool was that I wanted to find the line, not necessarily to split the body along the line, or at least not entirely. 

[cekuhnen]

Yep I think for mold makers it then makes sense - for me coming from Alias it was first confusing. However I see also what you want, just like project the parting line right onto the surface.

[cekuhnen]

Yep I think for mold makers it then makes sense - for me coming from Alias it was first confusing. However I see also what you want, just like project the parting line right onto the surface.