How to manage bends?

How to manage bends?

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How to manage bends?

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I have a file with a component and i have kept the component's single sketch intact.  When i have finished the design it will be cut out on a cnc router and then folded.

 

My impression is that i could possibly tackle this project two ways, i could design it in final form, and then do a flat pattern for the cnc router.  Or i could design it as a flat plate, and then fold it.  I decided to experiment with the latter approach this time having used the former approach previously.

 

Naturally during the design process i need to fold the plate to see how it shapes up and then unfold it to modify the sketch, or at least i think so?  This has been tedious and time consuming but i have been kinda happy enough.  I had the premonition that i should make sure that i save it when it is unfolded to avoid issues.  Unfortunately i wasn't paying attention and saved it while folded.

 

You would think that should be no drama, any decent program should be able to handle that, but when i reopened the file and unfolded the plate i found i was specifically disallowed to edit the sketch.  Oh dear, thats no good.  I decided to get rid of the design history, and great, i was now able to edit the sketch.  So i invested a fair bit more time refining the design, then tried to refold it.  However, to do that i need to convert it to sheetmetal, and when i try to do that it is now specifically adamant that i can only select part of the component, a sector as defined by lines on the sketch.

 

It seems that no matter which way i try to design sheetmetal components in fusion i end up having to devise workarounds, or is there a solution?  

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@TheCADWhisperer wrote:

@rhetths wrote:

1. .... i could design it in final form,

 

  Or

2.  ...i could design it as a flat plate, and then fold it. 


1. Yes, that is the way the Experts do it.

2. No, only the ultra uber experts do it that way, and only as a last resort.  (and beginners who don't realize the implication of Bend Allowance on their final form dimensions.

 

 Now, the techniques you don't mention are 

3. Model in Finished form using Unfold/Refold as needed.

4. Hybrid surface/solid modeling and Convert to Sheet Metal.


So, regarding the design i have that i have been doing as a flat and folding it when desired, to switch to designing in final form, i just fold it and generally leave it that way, save it that way, unfold and refold as required, and when it comes time to manufacture i do a flat pattern of it?

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@rhetths wrote:

So, regarding the design i have  ….

No file Attached???

I only understand geometry - words are not an effective way of describing geometry, that is why we use 3D CAD.

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I bent up my component and saved it as a separate file.  I then wondered how i could go about changing the thickness of the material.  I tried selecting all the faces on one side and offsetting them, but fusion didn't like that idea.  So i looked at editing the sheet metal rules, but it doesn't allow me to change the material thickness!

 

Does that mean you have to unfold it to change the material thickness, then refold?

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@rhetths wrote:

Does that mean you have to unfold it to change the material thickness, then refold?


No.

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(It seems like time i really hit some youtube tutorials on this.  I just learnt a new sheet metal rule can be created and used to change the thickness of the material)

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After watching a couple of sheetmetal tutorials it seems that sheetmetal components are perhaps more so designed through 3D modelling than through sketch creation.  And by developing the form from a base sheet, the program will aid the process through making appropriate reliefs and mitres, etc, things that would otherwise be more work to create.

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@rhetths wrote:

After watching a couple of sheetmetal tutorials it seems that sheetmetal components are perhaps more so designed through 3D modelling than through sketch creation.  


For the simple stuff.  For anything of complexity - sketching is required.

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@TheCADWhisperer wrote:

@rhetths wrote:

Does that mean you have to unfold it to change the material thickness, then refold?


No.


I just tried to modify the material thickness via a method taught in a youtube tutorial, a tutorial that seems very good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXu8vVYvjrg

 

However when i tried it, despite paying a lot of attention to duplicating what they did, when i hovered over the sheet metal rule it did not give me the option to switch, only view the rule.  Thus i could not change the thickness via that method.  I wonder if the difference is that i did not create all of my bends as flanges, some of them were created as bends.  If so, a painful quirk.

 

So i unfolded all bends and extruded it a bit thicker, then refolded, and it seems all good.  Except that my sheet metal rule thinks the material is still the original thickness, and i haven't found a way to change that.  it doesn't allow the user to edit the thickness.  So many brick walls.  Why?

 

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@rhetths 

 

So many brick walls.  Why?

The tallest and strongest brick wall to information has been constructed by you… …in not Attaching file that you are writing about.  Think about this question for a minute.  Q.  Why are you using Fusion, but only writing words here.  What does Fusion do that words can’t do?

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