How to identify user parameters and the components they apply to?

How to identify user parameters and the components they apply to?

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How to identify user parameters and the components they apply to?

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On the user parameters window, after I have more than a handful of components in my design, everything becomes kinda messy.

 

Besides the default behavior of renaming identical parameters automatically (height, heigth_1, heigth_2...), Fusion also has no way, as far as I can tell, to help me identify which parameter applies to which component.

 

When I'm designing a kitchen with multiple cabinets, for example, I have about 20 instances of each parameter for heigth, width, etc. How do I know which component will be affected by which parameter?

 

Thank you

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crullier
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I am wondering the same thing.. could this be missing functionally they can add?

seems like something very simple.

 

Here is a perfect example in  a simple sketch. I have 4 parameters with the same value. I want to know which on corresponds to the sketch.

 

 F1_Parameters.PNG

 

 

 

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Anonymous
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Hi!

Today I also came to this challenge. In Inventor there is option in status bar to display dimensions as equations. However, I could not find similar command in Fusion. Is it so well hidden or forgotten?

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crullier
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I think Autodesk need to make fusion a little. It more like inventor in
this area. I have been struggling a bit lately with the current workflow
and I'm fighting the urge to go back to inventor. I feel the same way
autocad users feel when using revit at the begining.. lol (I am a Revit
user from 9-5 ... sadly.)
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daniel_lyall
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@crullier there's no user parameters in your pic you have to click that green + to create them.

 

d4 to d7 in you pick change the diamention to d3 what are fillets 


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daniel_lyall
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@Anonymous you can just enter a equation into the box you put dimensions into or set up user parameters and when you goto put dimensions into the diamention box you can use the user paramater name or the favorites d_number, it's all in the learning section.


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daniel_lyall
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@Anonymous 

@Anonymous wrote:

On the user parameters window, after I have more than a handful of components in my design, everything becomes kinda messy.

 

Besides the default behavior of renaming identical parameters automatically (height, heigth_1, heigth_2...), Fusion also has no way, as far as I can tell, to help me identify which parameter applies to which component. 

 

In the model parameters click on the arrow beside the components name, then click the action then it shows what has been assigned to that action in that component or when the sketch is active hover the cursor on the diamention box and it shows what d_number it is and the name you gave it, you can also right click on any sketch and select show dimensions.

 

When I'm designing a kitchen with multiple cabinets, for example, I have about 20 instances of each parameter for height, width, etc. How do I know which component will be affected by which parameter?

 

This is down to if you use past or past new, if you copy paste the pasted copy it is the same as the copy, if you past new it's a new component it will have a _1 to how many past new you do added onto the end of the models body, components, sketches so on's name.

 

Thank you


If you set up user parameters for doing a cabinet you can get away with width, length, height, timber thickness and shelf amount thats all thats needed

 

if you are useing dados and rabbits then they are math function user parameters what just are timber thickness/2 and timber thickness kikkers can be unique user parameters or not  

 

the only other timer you need to create unique user parameters is if you are useing dogbones or holes holes also need a math function depending on how you do it.

 

A well setup cabinet can be used to make more cabinets, bookshelves and shelves 


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crullier
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I meant to say MODEL PARAMETERS.

At this point its just a guessing game to know which dimension corresponds to what fillet.  This is just a simple example to illustrate the challenge.

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daniel_lyall
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From the change parameters dialog box yes it is, when it's open unless you rember what is what it does show what component that diamention belongs to but not the action.

 

If you set user parameters it is a lot easier 

 

If all fillets are to be the same size after you have done the first one when you goto set the next one's size click on the first ones diamention that will set it to be the same or setup a user paramater.

 

You get use to how it works at the moment, it is getting improved all the time this is part of it.


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crullier
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So the answer to my question currently is that the user must guess, or make note of parameter names on a piece of paper before opening the parameters window.

Here how I imagine it "should" work, my humble suggestion:

 

When in the parameter window, when you select a parameter, it should highlight in the sketch. This way you know efficiently, what parameter corresponds to what dimensions, and thus rename them without any guess work. 

 

I am not taking about how to set the parameter equal to one and another, or adding formulas. That is pretty straight forward.

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daniel_lyall
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That's why you use user parameters what in the pick is all that's needed for a any size bookshelf, the same file started as a cabinet it's also a shelf. If it's set up in a way that makes it stand out it reduces the problem.

 

And yes it would be good if parameters showed what action they belong to.

 

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Why are you renaming them, if you're going to the effort of renaming them it would be quicker to just set up user parameters, then if another part needs to be the same diamention you start typing that into the diamention box it auto fills then it's select enter done.

 

And yes I know it wont always help to have user parameters for one off dimensions  


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TrippyLighting
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This is an area where Fusion really has to grow. I find that the whole area of parametric design in fusion 360 lacks attention to detail in a number of areas.

 

You case is actually the easier one.

 

Assume you referenced a parameter in the sketch, say d356. The day you do this it's fine because you remember which parameter this was.

3 weeks later you need to make change. God duck finding d356. there is not search function in the user parameter dialogue 😕

 


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laughingcreek
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I would vote for that in the idea station!  

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e.treccani
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This was way back in 2017. Is therenow a way to see which elements in the sketch belong to a specific parameter?
do they highlight in some way when you select a parameter in the parameters window or is this functionality still missing?

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jhackney1972
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Take a look at the attached video and see it this helps you relate your Model Parameters to the features in the timeline.  This also works between the Parameter table and an assembly components as show in the screen capture below.

 

Parameters Relate to Assembly components.jpg

 

John Hackney, Retired
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