found reason why command C + V often does not work on OS X

[cekuhnen]

the main reason is selecing the object from the browser makes apple c  apple v work

selecting it in the 3d view will not male apple c apple v work

it seems in the browser and in 3d view you can not select object fully the same way

see the video

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Byzv_NlyKp_2ZF9nT1c2bjI3dW8/view?usp=sharing

[innovatenate]

Awesome! I'm glad that you got to the bottom of this.

The root of the issue seems to be the selections. In the canvas, you are selecting Body Faces or Body Edges instead of the entire body. If you would like to copy and paste in the graphic workspace, you will have to be more careful of your selections! 

For example, if you use the selection tool (linger on the left click to access), you will see that Face and potentially Edge listed in the Depth tab. If you select a Body Face or a Body Edge, the copy and paste command will not work. Copy and Paste does not work for the individual faces of a solid. For this, you would use the Offset command located in the Patch workspace to generate a copy of an individual face for a solid.

Back in the selection tool, if you go to the Parents tab, you will find Body listed there. If you select the Body, copy and paste will work! When you select the Body in the browser, you are doing the same thing. You are selecting a whole body, rather than a face or an edge, which is what bodies are comprised of.

Here is a screencast that may help explain this a bit better.

http://autode.sk/1GJfsqf

I hope it helps.

Thanks,

[cekuhnen]

headslap - and headslap nobody else on the Fusion team noticed that I was selecting only faces in the previous video. However this showcases that this is maybe more confusing than good.

If I clock on an edge ok makes sense
but when I select the face maybe this should also result into selecting the body so when I press del it will kill that body/patch/face?

[Anonymous]

Fusion could use selection priority

ie:

edge > body > face

unless in DM then maybe

editable face > edge > body

certainly this isn't well thought out, but certainly sketch edge should always take priority over construction sketch edge

[cekuhnen]

I very agree.

I think it should be considered on based on what you select make a taks based pre selection filter working.

when I want to move I move the body so I should click on a page and select the object

when I want to round an edge then the tool should only be able to select edges.

and so forth

[innovatenate]

Depending on which command is active, Fusion 360 does automatically modifies the selection filter. If you check the list of items available in Selection Filter while different commands are active (e.g. Assemble Joint or Extrude command), you will see that the list automatically updates depending on the active command.

The selection is based upon which commands are active and the proximity of the geometry to the cursor. If you are ever unsure of what is being selecting the selection tool is only a long mouse click away.

Thanks,

[cekuhnen]

but then why in the 3d view can you not select object directlY? that most of the commands you need.

features have their own selection filter.

[Anonymous]

Selection tool is great. I'll admit that I hate the selection filters. Fusion is the first CAD program I've used where I actually feel like I have to use them so I don't out of spite because I wish it was setup in a way where it wasn't necessary. 😛

[innovatenate]

 I'm not sure that I understand what you mean by "..cannot select an object directly". Could you clarify? You should be able to select anything in the workspace directly if you are using the selection tool or the selection filters.

In the original video, there are no commands active. The full menu of selections is available under this condition. I think this is the correct behavior, wouldn't you agree? Once you realize selecting Face versus a Body enabled different commands, it is pretty straight forward. Perhaps a create Copy command would make this work flow more intuitive for new users. A graphic UI for the selection filter (like the one in the move command) could be added. What do you think?

The graphics window is densely populated. I think the Fuision 360 API Object Model is great graphical representation of how much stuff exists underneath your cursor at any given moment. Check out the PDF below.

http://help.autodesk.com/cloudhelp/ENU/Fusion-360-API/images/Fusion.pdf

I think the selection tool and the selection filter do a pretty good job of simplifying it down to the basics. In this case, I think this is a matter of providing Fusion the right information to know what the intent might be. If you'd like to copy and paste, you have to select a body, and not a face. Unfortunately, the two can appear to be the same thing in the graphics workspace.

I hope that helps.

Thanks,

[cekuhnen]

I actually disagree and hit a street light post while writing on my smartphone lol

I am work fusion since our is open beta and only today did uli realize why the copy and paste c command did not work.

In all rhino or alias clicking on a face selects the patch object. Fusion selects the face. Why? Copy and past needs an object and y do not want me o change filter direction or use the most filter to select the object. Imagine I have to select 5 objects.

Bad idea and labor click intensive workflow.

[cekuhnen]

wow change this 30 min edit window - it is terrible!

Here what I wanted to write after I reworded the text (foreigner here)
I actually disagree and - I hit a street light post while writing on my smartphone lol -

I am work Fusion since it is open beta and only today did I realize why the copy and paste command did not work.

In all rhino or alias clicking on a face selects the patch object. Now I can drag move copy and laste or delete it.

Not In Fusion. Dragging all over the object still does not select the object only faces and edges. Copy and paste fails.
Even using select body filter fails. I have to select the object in the browser to be able to use copy and paste.

Here is a vid:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Byzv_NlyKp_2WE1rUnRQWXZIMjQ/view?usp=sharing

So I think when I drag over the object in Fusion you should really select the body like when I click in the browser on it. this seems inconsistent.

[Phil.E]

There is something wrong here.

Testing Win 7, OSX 10.9.5, and OSX 10.10 I can copy and paste bodies using keyboard hotkeys, and also the selection filter, directly in canvas.

https://screencast.autodesk.com/Main/Details/a3d5565f-1a67-461a-a01e-bfb13bb97988

Are you using an external keyboard?

[cekuhnen]

nope no external keyboard.

[Phil.E]

Can you help us figure out what is different for you?

Do you ever get this to work? I ask because if it works sometimes, then we can perhaps figure out why it stops.

Is it the same on any machine you use? Windows or Mac? If not, what is unique about the machine where it fails compared to the others?

Thanks,

[cekuhnen]

Lol this cracks me up.

You know my iMac's GPU bruned out so I cannot test this anymore there, but the problem was present. On my MacBookPro OS X 10.10.3 Beta I have the same problem.

If you want we can meet online and you can take a look at the Mac here.

[Phil.E]

So if I read this correctly, the difference with your machine is you are running a beta OS. 10.10.3.

It would be interesting if anyone else running this version of OSX has the same issue and could comment here.

[cekuhnen]

No no iMac and MacPro 10.10.2
MacBookPro 10.10.3 beta

[Phil.E]

I have no idea which question you are answering. Can you be more descriptive?

[cekuhnen]

OMG my vision is blurry form too much work.
I read your text as if you were curious if I would have the same with 10.10.2.

So I experience this problem with each computer.

But can fix the copy and paste on each computer when I select the object in the browser!

Sorry!

[Phil.E]

Yes Claas, I'm trying to find out if this happens on any version and any hardware you have.

Please confirm: you appear to be stating that on any Mac you own, with any OS you may have on these macs, that you cannot copy and paste a body in the manner shown in the video link I posted. Is this true?