DOES AUTODESK FUSION 360 SUPPORT LINUX OS

[Anonymous]

HELLO 

I WOULD LIKE TO DOES AUTODESK FUSION 360 SUPPORT LINUX OS

AND 

WHICH WOULD BE THE BEST PROCSSER FOR FUSION IF I AM HANDELING LARGE CAM AND COMPLEX 3D ASSEMLY

LET ME KNOW

[Anonymous]

OsX is BSD based, that's not the same as Linux.

[Ceecis]

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and the majority of Fusion users are not linux users.

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The majority of Fusion users are not users of an operating system that is not supported by Fusion. Shocker.

In the same vein : 

The majority of people who are allergic to peanuts do not eat food containing peanuts.

The majority of air-breathing lifeforms do not live underwater.

The majority of the people in third world countries do not own cars.

No one lives on Mars.

After a serious cryptomalware scare I really really wanted to move from Windows to Linux once and for all but Fusion is what is stopping me from doing it.

The point is, people aren't switching to Linux because there is always a few unsupported softwares that prevents them from switching.

Your argument that not enough people use Linux is a non-argument. "Build it and they will come". Not "magically expect people to be using something that doesn't exist before you build it".

[etfrench]

Hmmm. 1.5 billion Apple users, 1.5 billion Windows users,  32 million Linux users. Which market would you spend your resources on?

p.s.  Feel free to find statistics on the Internet to show Autodesk should support Linux.

[Ceecis]

The point is that fewer people use it than would normally precisely because of things like this. For some it's games, for some it's production software like Fusion360. The lack of software compatibility is the #1 barrier that prevents people who want to get away from Mac or Windows from switching. "BuT NoT EnOuGh PeoPlE UsE iT" is a terrible argument. It's about how many want to use Linux but can't because Fusion360 isn't supported that it's about.

[daniel_lyall]

What would the cost per year be for a Linux version per user and what would the upfront cost be to do the Linux version for a start. And don't forget to let all the other cad/cam companys know they should do a Linux version

[Ceecis]

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@daniel_lyall wrote:
And don't forget to let all the other cad/cam companys know they should do a Linux version

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Sounds to me like the market is ripe and wide open for a Linux CAD/CAM software.

As for the costs, why would you challenge people for answers you know perfectly well people cannot provide? Since Fusion uses Qt, I'm going to say most of the work is done for Mac, so the costs would not be much. So asking for answers that cannot reasonably provided goes both ways. Why don't you provide those numbers to support the assertion that it's not a good investment?

Actually don't. It would derail the point I am making, which is build it and they will come.

[wmhazzard]

I agree, I would switch to Linux if Fusion worked on it. 

[etfrench]

That's a problem as there aren't very many theys.

[TheCADWhisperer]

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@Ceecis wrote:

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Sounds to me like the market is ripe and wide open for a Linux CAD/CAM software.

...the point I am making, which is build it and they will come.

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Go for it. 
Sounds like you have identified a market niche that somehow all of the major CAD vendors have either missed or not interested in pursuing. 

[daniel_lyall]

A big company will not do something where there is a risk of never making money, yes there are X amount of Linux users and X amount that would jump but would that be enough to pay for it.

Autodesk have staff whose job is to work out all risks on anything they do, you would have to ask them for there data on Linux.

It is a simple hard no until there are more Linux users in the world.

Also, I have never seen someone prove that an apple version can be easily converted to a Linux program, and do you say the same stuff to all the other company's and in the Autocad forum since there is a mac version of that.

[Anonymous]

Many companies and organisations target Linux;
We have checked out BricsCAD and a collogue used VariCAD.
Currently using FreeCAD for 3D modeling.
There are CAM software, parametric modelers...
We have used Eagle CAD to produce circuit boards many years. (We plan to switch to KiCAD.)

We switched to Linux thirteen years ago, there was no reason not to.
Most importantly we do not need to learn different OS for our server, desktop, laptop, product. Linux. And there are plenty of programs and great support.

Autodesk today *do provide Linux versions* of Eagle. https://www.autodesk.com/products/eagle/blog/how-to-install-autodesk-eagle-on-windows-mac-and-linux/

Citing that page "The EAGLE that you know and love continues to work on your platform of choice, whether that’s Windows, Mac, or Linux. This is what continues to make EAGLE so popular"

So yes we do wonder when Fusion will follow in that spirit of Autodesk.

Linux and cousins runs most smartphones, servers and all top 500 supercomputers, desktops, laptops, lot of smal and big IT infrastructure, many industrial controllers etc, etc...

Dont forget iOS and macOS too are cousins to Linux. (Both are modern implementations of Unix.)  Android is closer to plain Linux.

Even Microsoft nowadays have jumped on the *nix move and ships a Linux variant (WSL2) with the only Windows version left they support.
(Because many tools and server software etc are not available for MSWindows, like OwnCloud server dropped support for MSWindows due too to many system bugs)

It is probably much easier to support macOS+Linux (both are *nix) than MSWindows+macos which are much more different.

Maybe it is then not hard to kind of add support for that most different OS - as its developer already started to support programs needing Linux? (I understand graphics may be a beast)

Or, MSWindows users can install virtualisation software, install a Linux of choice to run Linux programs in. Like we Linux users do for MSWindows programs... Difference is, that currently we Linux users have to pay licens to Microsoft if we would like to use other developers MSWindows programs, which is a bit stupid.

It make sense not to support *MSWindows*, as that traditionally have been a very expensive source of problems with malware, integration problems (standards breach) etc.

Some companies make compatibility improvements so their programs can run on i.e wine, but Autodesk dont help even a small bit though potential users who could pay them money struggles...  Are they paid by one of the two big OS manufacturers to not sell to the so far third biggest OS?

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/fusion-360-support/running-fusion-360-installer-on-linux-through-prot...

https://gist.github.com/probonopd/0fab254aa0b6fc371d8db641822bd530

Addendum: Decided to try to download Fusion 360 to try either with wine or my old windows 7 in emulator that i  should not allow to connect to internet, but I get: "Your operating system is not supported. Fusion 360 is supported on 64-bit Windows 7 or newer and 64-bit Mac OS X 10.12 or newer. "  Autodesk really do not want our money.

[Anonymous]

In end of last post i cited the message that included saying Windows 7 was supported.  So i thought i could use mu old W7 license.  But now i read that 7 is not supported:  at https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/fusion-360-design-validate/does-autodesk-fusion-360-support-linux-os/... So yes i would need to buy W10 to use Fusion360...

Someone should correct that message, and make that download stopper a warning instead...

This mess is not showing much of quality nor user friendliness for a potential new user like me, does it?

[daniel_lyall]

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@Anonymous wrote:

In end of last post i cited the message that included saying Windows 7 was supported.  So i thought i could use mu old W7 license.  But now i read that 7 is not supported:  at https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/fusion-360-design-validate/does-autodesk-fusion-360-support-linux-os/m-p/9236501  So yes i would need to buy W10 to use Fusion360...

Someone should correct that message, and make that download stopper a warning instead...

This mess is not showing much of quality nor user friendliness for a potential new user like me, does it?

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Did an Autodesk person say that with in the last 6 months??

A lot of Linux users go on about how easy it is to convert an apple program to a mac none have shown how yet.

Now to some simple math, they will need quite a few Linux guys for the programing at 60K or there about each plus, (for the different teams that work on fusion) their office requirements and sundries straight of the bat.

If a person could prove at a minimum 10,000 to 50,000 Linux users would pay that would sway them.

[Ceecis]

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@daniel_lyall wrote:

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A lot of Linux users go on about how easy it is to convert an apple program to a mac none have shown how yet.

I'm curious what kind of proof you are expecting precisely? Do you expect me or anyone else to provide you with the differential of an entire source code to an entire program that used to run only on Mac and has been adapted to support Linux, highlighting what adaptations have been made to support Linux? I told you that Fusion360 uses Qt and if you know anything about Qt and software development, that's all the proof you should need. Otherwise, you seem to be wanting to make an argument from ignorance, which is fallacious. The fact that you use "convert" to describe what has to be done to a Mac OS program to be supported on Linux says to me that you do not know much about software development, cross-platform support and that any actual proof anyone could provide of this magnitude you wouldn't understand anyway. Fusion360 is built on Qt, is supported on both Windows and Mac OS right out of the box, so it's highly likely programmed in C++ and C++ is supported on all platforms. No "conversion" required. We're talking about ironing out quirks specific to platforms. Not anything even remotely like anything that can be described as a conversion.

The great majority of the software people use everyday is cross-platform. However wannabe switchers are always stopped by the lack of support from major software companies like Adobe and Autodesk. So let's do this math. Free and open source developers who provide software at no cost on their free time or on donations have no issue supporting Windows, Mac OS AND Linux. Commercial software companies however, asking them to support Linux is like pulling teeth. You know what, now that I think of it, this entirely does sound political as another user highlighted earlier in this post. No money asked in return for software = Supported on 3 platform. Money asked in return for software = Supported on only 2 platforms. Please, tell me how you can math this out as a number and return on investment issue. Open source developers think Linux is worth their free, unpaid time but not big commercial software developers who stand to get money from it. Do they think that Linux users would refuse to pay just because they're using Linux?

[daniel_lyall]

You can put it anyway you like with out the numbers it will not happen, I did not realize a program can not be converted to work with something else, what is the correct word?

[Ceecis]

Programs CAN be converted to work with something else. Like when they're entirely written in a language that is not supported on a target platform and they need to be rewritten in a different language. Which is not the case here. "Conversion" implies an almost complete transformation. A (almost) complete transformation is not what needs to be done to Fusion360 in order for it to work with Linux. Not even close. It needs tweaks at best.

https://wikidiff.com/convert/adapt

This is the difference.

[etfrench]

I don't think it's a question of whether or not Autodesk could create a Linux/Unix version of Fusion 360.  I suspect they're more than capable of doing it.  Whether the handful of Linux/Unix users who would buy the program would be enough for Autodesk to make a profit is the question.

[daniel_lyall]

It has to make financial sense for it to happen, until then it will not happen. Additional staff and all other costs come into it there is no way around it.

[Anonymous]

"Now to some simple math,"

And a lot of small resource developers utilise releasing for several OS:es to *gain* more users per development hour.

EagleCAD had much less resources yet found it useful to support Linux and Windows since many years (In the beginning not MAC).  Autodesk have since bought EagleCAD and still support Linux in new versions 🙂

Autodesk have a potential to earn much more leveraging on their much larger existing user base, and being based on Qt which is on Linux too it helps.

I know BricsCAD and VariCad are commercial mechCAD competitors supporting Linux since years already, probably more exist.

I assume the decision is political, i.e i know phone app developers loose advantages at phone brand A if they release app for brand B. Possibly the same dirty business go on with desktop OS too.  Also it is known there is a bind Nvidia-Microsoft at least, so that political crap *may* induce a technical problem at least with performance.  But other brands i have tested runs OK.

[daniel_lyall]

For eagle, all resources would have been in places plus staff so it is a carry-on.

Would you guys be willing to work on a Linux version for free and also sign an NDA with Autodesk and do what they want to be done when and how they require.