Can't understand error message.

[smallfavor]

Will someone please explaing what this means??  I don't know what is point 1.  As far as I can see there's nothing missing from projecting.  The more I try to fix little things the more f-ed up everything becomes.  I can't make forward progress because I'm constantly called on to attend to something vaguely explained.

I'm really worn out with this.

https://a360.co/2uPArXX

[JamieGilchrist]

Hi James,

I'll take a look at your design and will report back.

[JamieGilchrist]

So that error message is not too terribly... ok, it sucks!

So there was a projected point whose reference had gone missing.  Somewhere in in that pile of points where the orange arrow is pointing you'll see a little yellow dot the is attached to the constrained construction line (the one in black)  not sure what it was referencing, but it's reference is no more.  If I box select all the points and delete (it will only delete free points, nothing that is attached as a part of a curve) finish the sketch then the error goes away.  But, the once constrained line is now not constrained.  This can be fixed by adding constraints to the line or just fixing it in place.

Two things to note here:

1.  yellow sketches aren't always a bad thing, they're not great, but they aren't necessarily a total disaster.  Fusion will remember (in cache) the result of the reference, but it's no longer tied to it's parent source, so if you edit or update what you think is the parent you won't get what you expect in the projected reference to follow the update.

2.  we currently have  a project underway to do better error handling and resolution of scenarios exactly like this.  If it's ok with you, I'm going to forward your design onto the development team as a good test case for this new experience they are working on.

[etfrench]

Methinks you should pay more attention to your timeline and fix warnings when they occur instead of waiting for an irritating error message.  You're almost certain to get one when you don't fix the errors and warnings.

[mavigogun]

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@JamieGilchrist wrote:

So there was a projected point whose reference had gone missing.  Somewhere in in that pile of points where the orange arrow is pointing you'll see a little yellow dot the is attached to the constrained construction line (the one in black)  not sure what it was referencing, but it's reference is no more.

Good catch, Jaime.   No, you won't see it, most likely- because it's pale yellow on a white field; this is one of the reasons I never use the Photo Booth Environment- that, and all that white burns my eyes out.      When Sketching, I move between Dark Sky and Grey Room, depending on what I need to see.

[JamieGilchrist]

hi  mavigogun,

you're right the little yellow dot on a white background, eye burn aside, is not a great color choice. 

So I'm not at all defending the current state of the experience (it is being worked on and real world examples like this are helpful to us getting a better solution), just trying to provide a little nuance and clarity to James' scenario.

In this particular case there were a number of points and open points right on top of one another, which we don't do a great job of rendering in the graphics window to show and the pick list is long and lacks any information to diagnose the problem.  I only found it by zooming in and tumbling to get the errant point to reveal itself, using the depth selector to cross highlight was not too helpful in this particular scenario.

as you can see, there are a lot of points stacked here, ideally the list should give some indication of the problem one, but today for resolving this problem it's not too helpful.

in this orientation I can't see the yellow dot, the projected reference that has gone missing

If i tumble just a bit, I see some indication of where the problem lies (small yellow point on top of: black points, several white points, couple green points; I counted 14 points stacked there) if I go back to the depth selector I still can't determine the which point it is.  So at this point (no pun intended) I take the sledge hammer approach and drag select from left to right in that area and delete any free points, finish the sketch and the warning state clears, but the adjacent construction line is no longe constrained. (see previous post).

Again,  I'm not defending the current experience and as the team is working on fixing it, anybody that would like to share similar scenarios with us will be very helpful in testing out our solution.

[mavigogun]

This may seem like a no-brainer- but I just realized how it works... so, may be of benefit to others overwhelmed by the tool:

When reviewing some warning messages, selecting the specific warning item will red highlight that item in the View Port.   However, were you to edit an offending Sketch, you may find the warning message disappears- in which case, perform a Compute All to illicit the warning triangle.

I discovered this while clicking and holding on points attempting to find errant Projections missing sources.

[HughesTooling]

While in the sketch with the error if you uncheck Show Points the failed projection will still show on it's own. Whether you'll be able to see it if you have a white background is another thing, with the darker background you'll have no problem.

Mark

[mavigogun]

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@HughesTooling wrote:

While in the sketch with the error if you uncheck Show Points the failed projection will still show on it's own. Whether you'll be able to see it if you have a white background is another thing, with the darker background you'll have no problem.

Mark

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Sweet!   -thanks, Mark!

[smallfavor]

Hi,

I don't quite understand this:  "perform a Compute All to illicit the warning triangle."  Is that a command option?

[etfrench]

It's on the Modify toolbar menu.

[mavigogun]

As Etfrench indicated, find Compute All near the bottom of the Modify Menue (I promote it to the tool bar);  the command tells Fusion to run the entire design over from the beginning of its history- useful, as we can introduce paradoxes Fusion sometimes won't catch on the fly.   Why do I find it important enough to promote to the top?   I want to know the condition of my foundation before I invest more of my life building on it.