RFA to AXMF Failed

[richcrawford6587]

I am trying to load content into Formit using the RFA to Formit Converter in Revit and keep getting the same error as shown below.  The Content folder is created in A360 Drive but not content appears.  What is the issue?

RESULT
Conversion from RFA to AXMF is FAILED

DETAIL INFO

The following files are not supported and skipped

The following files had problem during conversion
\RPC Beetle.rfa
\RPC Chair.rfa
\RPC Female.rfa
\RPC Male.rfa
\RPC Notebook Computer.rfa
\RPC Picture Frame.rfa
\Semi Truck.rfa
\Van.rfa

The following files had problem during uploading

The following files were overwritten with the latest version

No permission to read the following files

No permission to read the following directories

[Tobias_Hathorn]

Hello Rich - The files below are not converted because those family categories aren't supported yet. We support only a handful of Revit categories. To get entourage into your FormIt model I would suggest grabbing some content from the SketchUp Warehouse and converting that to FormIt!

The list of OK Revit categories to convert into FormIt are...

- Casework

- Entourage

- Furniture

- Furniture Tab

- Generic Models

- Parking

- Site

- Specialty Equipment

- and also Mass families convert from Revit to FormIt

One follow up question - were the files listed below the only files you were trying to convert? Or these are the only that were reporting an error?

Thanks,

Tobias

[richcrawford6587]

I initially tried to the door category and then read that it wasn't supported yet.  I moved onto the Entourage which is supported but you are saying it is not? I just tried to link some casework and the content folder is created but nothing resides in the folder in my A360 Drive.

[Tobias_Hathorn]

Entourage as a category is supported, but the RPC based trees and people (and yellow bug!) don't translate as geometry - so those probably throw an error. If you have other non-RPC entourage elements those should be fine.

If you're checking the 'A360' button in the converter dialog then maybe try converting the files locally - then uploading them yourself into the A60 Drive > FormIt > Content > <your folder name here> ... this way you'll see them arrive safely.

Sorry for the slow follow up - let us know if this ends up working.

[richcrawford6587]

No Luck.  I tried using the parking category this time with the same result.  This is frustrating in the fact that I have to select a folder instead of individual families to convert.  Additionally, If these categories can be used in Formit, why doesn't Autodesk just provide the AXM files in the Pro version of Formit that my company is paying for.  I'm trying to learn a software and add-in to train staff but I am hung up on this process.

[Tobias_Hathorn]

Hi Rich - 

I'm not sure why the Parking category would be failing. Unless maybe the family is all model lines?

The main reason the rfa based axms aren't all provided is to keep the loading of the app as fast as possible. The other reason is that the converter is intended to be flexible to accomodate any customer's library - so the path back to the original rfa folder needs to be specific and could be different for each customer.

I'm happy to take some time next week to help get you started off on a better foot. Thanks for writing into the forums - looking forward to helping you get where you need to go.

Thanks,

Tobias

[Anonymous]

I want to convert Revit plumbing fixtures to Formit content, but I see above that wasn't a category that converts. Has this been fixed yet or anyone know if Formit might have a content library for those types. I'd like to not go into sketchup to do this if I can avoid another type to translate.

[Tobias_Hathorn]

The list of supported categories has not changed - our special 'conversion' system only works with those specified stand alone families. 

There are a few tricks of course - you could edit the pipe family in question and change its category to 'generic' then the converter should work with it.

You can also select geometry of any category in your RVT file and isolate it graphically - then export as ACIS (SAT) file. This will then import to FormIt.

Let me know if you'd like more information or detailed steps on these two ideas?

Thanks,

Tobias

[Anonymous]

Thank you Tobias. I will try that. I'm trying to experiment with converting Revit families into Formit files to see what happens when I import Formit Files if the families break or have issues. I am already having issues with not being able to add levels to Formit masses but this might be since it's a trial version I'm not getting all the options.

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[Tobias_Hathorn]

Regarding adding levels to FormIt masses - are you seeing the issue in FormIt? or in Revit?

1. If you've imported geometry to FormIt and want to apply levels to it - you have to select the geometry (with a double click, or group the geometry first, and single click it) then look in the properties palette and check the 'Use Levels' box. You could also use the UL keyboard short cut. Then make sure that you have Display Levels enabled (DL) and you should see blue lines applied to the geometry
2. If you've imported geometry to Revit and you are 'losing' the levels (and the ability to apply mass floors) that means that you've got 'non manifold' geometry. This can be healed in FormIt and reimported - but you'll need to turn on Display Watertight (DW) and Display Backfaces (DB) model diagnostic styles in FormIt

Let me know more information about your issues and I'll be happy to try and help more.

Tobias

[Anonymous]

Thank you Tobias. I got the levels to work, for some reason the DL command doesn't work. I found the properties panel and was able to add the levels. I found the check box in the settings.
I'm testing Formit right now to give a workflow for some designers testing it out and remove the need for Sketchup. What I don't understand is why a mass in formit can come into Revit with Mass floors already set versus another mass that just shows as a mass, no mass floors already created. Am I missing a step?
To export families in a plumbing category, I understand you can export and import like you suggested. When I get them into Revit, they come in as a mass. Is there a method to take these masses and swap them for families then?
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[Anonymous]

Thank you Tobias. I got the levels to work, for some reason the DL command doesn't work. I found the properties panel and was able to add the levels. I found the check box in the settings.
I'm testing Formit right now to give a workflow for some designers testing it out and remove the need for Sketchup. What I don't understand is why a mass in formit can come into Revit with Mass floors already set versus another mass that just shows as a mass, no mass floors already created. Am I missing a step?
To export families in a plumbing category, I understand you can export and import like you suggested. When I get them into Revit, they come in as a mass. Is there a method to take these masses and swap them for families then?
Carmen Martinez

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414.918.1474

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414.476.9500

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[Tobias_Hathorn]

Hi Carmen - Glad to hear you're seeing some results. 

If you have masses in Revit that don't have mass floors applied, then there are two possible reasons:

1. You need to apply Levels to the mass in FormIt first - note that you should be able to select the mass, and in the ribbon choose 'mass floors' from the last panel. Then you can specify the levels you'd like applied
2. Your mass is non-manifold, or non-watertight - meaning it is not recognized as 'solid geometry' and Revit won't allow you to put levels onto it. You can go back to FormIt and try DW and DB (display watertight issues, and display backfaces) any 'bad' geometry will show up in red. Resolving these will make your geometry solid in Revit

If DL isn't working then you may not have levels applied to any geometry yet. DL is a toggle that shows the blue levels lines, and hides the blue level lines - if there are no levels applied to geometry, then there's nothing to show.

Regarding category swapping - when you are in FormIt - you can double click to edit a group, then on the properties panel you can choose a category. If you want to create plumbing fixtures, or similar - then choose any category BUT mass. When this group is imported to Revit it will create a family of that category. You can edit the family and change it's category as you desire. Revit BLOCKS you from swapping the category of a Mass to a regular family.

[Anonymous]

Is there a reason why when I fix the water tight issues in formit and reinsert it, the mass doesn't come in transparent like the other buildings?
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[Anonymous]

Is there a reason why when I fix the water tight issues in formit and reinsert it, the mass doesn't come in transparent like the other buildings?
[cid:image001.png@01D28610.09E07770]

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[Tobias_Hathorn]

The images didn't import unfortunately- but I think I know what you mean.

When the mass from FormIt is simple (made of a matching profiles, so basically a simple extrusion) then Revit makes a Revit mass. But if the mass from FormIt isn't a simple extrusion - which is almost always the case - then Revit has to 'import' the geometry instead. You're seeing a grey import object instead of a real revit mass.

[Anonymous]

Yes exactly. Okay that would make sense I thought I was doing something in the wrong order. Yes I see one of the buildings as greyed out and the other simple shapes are transparent. Is there an AU class from this year that might help with step by step intro for Formit. I've already downloaded and watched the three I could find from this year. I've watched design strategies, formidable implementation and bridging the design gap.

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[Anonymous]

Yes exactly. Okay that would make sense I thought I was doing something in the wrong order. Yes I see one of the buildings as greyed out and the other simple shapes are transparent. Is there an AU class from this year that might help with step by step intro for Formit. I've already downloaded and watched the three I could find from this year. I've watched design strategies, formidable implementation and bridging the design gap.

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