Survey Point Scale

[654work]

Can a block assigned to a point style be scaled to a specific when processed during the importing of points through the survey database?  AS an example, a 24 inch tree would be in the drawing as 2ft dia.  I’m assuming the point description from the crew would call out 24, and this would be used to scale the marker in the drawing.

[tcorey]

Learn about Description Keys.

[654work]

Yea I was planning on using something like this:

Point Code          Style                                      Point Label Style               Format                 Layer                    

Decid                   Vege Tree Decid                   None                                   $1                          V-SITE-VEGE       

Scale Parameter                                 Apply to X-Y

checked on Parameter 1                    checked on Yes.

Where $1 is a value the crew would enter, and this would scale the marker.

I was more trying to find out if there was a better option to what I was thinking of.

Thanks for the reply though.

[jeff.wangD95HG]

basically description key and scale parameters here is a quick example

make sure you do a quick read through of all the settings of description key

parameter 1 is pulled from the description of the cogo point

for example the csv format will be similar to like this

Point number, northing, easting, elevation, tree 24,

to apply scale factor of 24 which could be in inches if you are setted up correctly

[654work]

@jeff.wangD95HG thank you for your input.  What you mentioned is what we planned on using.

Something I have not been able to find, we have a client on that requires blocks (not Civil 3D points defined by blocks) for point objects.  Can this be done?  I'm going to continue researching this.

[jeff.wangD95HG]

cogo point can take in user defined blocks

right click browse and select the path where your desired blocks is saved at

[654work]

@jeff.wangD95HG, I may be missing something from what you posted, by what the client is asking to not use a cogo/civil 3D point, they want only a block.  I think there is a way to extract blocks from Civil 3D points.  https://apps.autodesk.com/CIV3D/en/Detail/Index?id=3273897707717833240&appLang=en&os=Win64

I was hoping that Civil 3D could import just the block, instead of using it within a point style.

[jeff.wangD95HG]

this is indeed a difficult task and could only be accomplished by the only command worthy of this task. come forth "explode" is the hero  you are looking for

I might be missing something but this seems like a trivial task

[654work]

Yes, except we use the points for the surface, then send the file to the client.  I think what we need to do is have the C3D points on a different layer than the blocks.

Thanks for you input, much apricated.

[Pointdump]

Hi Robert,
Here's an idea from Jerry Bartels to create >>>Blocks with Attributes<<<.
Dave

[654work]

@Pointdump I may be missing something from your post.  I like the idea of using shp files to insert blocks (wish I had known this for another project). For this clients projects, our surveyors collect the data and dump as a CSV file then we process.  How are you suggesting we get the shp files?  Bring the points into C3D, and export as shp?

Thanks

[Pointdump]

Robert,
I'd create the shapefile in QGIS from an Excel CSV file with all the attributes.
Dave

[654work]

@Pointdump thank you again for your reply.  I always apricate your input.  I have another quick question. Civil 3D has the ability to convert COGO points into blocks using the "Points > Create Blocks from COGO Points" command. Are you suggesting using the SHP format because it is a faster method when working with a lot of different kinds of blocks?

[Pointdump]

Robert,
You may not need to add any attributes to the blocks. When I think of blocks I think of lots of attributes and the shapefile workflow handles multiple attributes easier than COGO points with User Defined Properties.
The Create Blocks from COGO Points is a good way, but you only get Point Number, Elevation, and Description.
Dave

[hencoop]

@jeff.wangD95HG 

Explode is never a hero (IMHO).  It is a destroyer of intent and purpose.  We use ParaPOINT to accomplish what the OP wants/needs.  It isn’t Civil 3D but it uses Civil 3D points which requires a license to Civil 3D in order to access them.  It will place scaled tree blocks from point descriptions.  We never use C3D points as our survey symbology.  We always insert independent blocks at all point features including trees.  The labelling is also automated and independent of C3D points..  Position, scale and orientation are never a problem we need to solve.

[rl_jackson]

@hencoop 

I no longer push points do a drawing that do not have symbology. removing a massive amount of data in the process....

I think ADSK should look at the POINT OBJECT for improvement on speed as it is cumbersome object in the overall process.

[654work]

@jeff.wangD95HG, would you be able to provide a link to  ParaPOINT.  I searched for it but am only coming up with a training company. 

[654work]

Dave, thanks, we will be looking at which option is easiest for our workflow for this client.

[hencoop]

@654work

The page is way down the search list.  The page hasn't been updated for a while and it has never actually been marketed.  I own the domain ParaCADD.com and I am an Authorized Autodesk Developer.  I wrote ParaPOINT primarily for my own use and others in our company.  I made it available online as a side venture.  I cannot recall when I last sold a license to it.  That has never been my focus.  If you are still interested, you can find it here:  http://paracadd.com/ptdcl/ptdcl.htm