Styles which can create dissociated labels

[Anonymous]

Having used C3d for the pass several years, still do not find the required associative labeling effective.  It appears to create significant errors and does not lend itself to be edited.

Is there a way (without going to 3rd party software to have annotation styles that create disassociated labels.

[rl_jackson]

The easiest way to make a label dis-associative is to just explode it. But I certainly would not recommend doing that, so I guess the better question here is:

What are the significant errors being created that does not lend itself to be edited?

[Anonymous]

They are multiple. (Please note this is coming from a Survey Plat work mode)

1. Not understanding what has been or could be done within a dwg (multiple user's) leads to many time expenditures which are quite frustrating.
2. Many time minor edits are required which are not easily accomplished when working with where objects and text are connected. This relates more to the production of plats, where the connectivity is not really relevant rather the current presentation of dimensions/bearings and distances.
3. Find having a simplified work flow is need for the expedient production of survey documents. Connectivity is secondary, but accuracy is primary.

[rl_jackson]

1. Not understanding what has been or could be done within a dwg (multiple user's) leads to many time expenditures which are quite frustrating. This might be a training issue, that's something would need to be solved interally and you'll still have issues if people don't follow procedure.

2. Many time minor edits are required which are not easily accomplished when working with where objects and text are connected. This relates more to the production of plats, where the connectivity is not really relevant rather the current presentation of dimensions/bearings and distances. I have done literally hundreds and hundreds of documents that are survey plats either small residential jobs or big commercial sites, I also use parcels a lot as well and think there a must when doing subdivisions.

3. Find having a simplified work flow is need for the expedient production of survey documents. Connectivity is secondary, but accuracy is primary. Are you using automated linework (Survey Database), Parcels. I find that Connectivity is primary as that is the accuracy and there integral. There seems to be a workflow that your missing in C3D.  This could be all of how your template is set up.

[Anonymous]

I understand that you are not understanding my dilemma. I am a senior Technician and working with and for multiple personnel.
I am trying to resolve issues which are enigmatic to the use of C3D. I know that C3D is committed to their product, as we are committed to producing our product.
We need a way to simplify the use of the Annotative labels. Having the ability of producing bearings and distance which do not retain their connectivity is essential. Simply implying that maintaining the connectivity enhances accuracy, belies the misunderstanding of what we are working against.
Training is always a requirement and that is the only reason I am trying to understand. Currently, we are having to double explode and/or redo plats, for a simple correction.
I know there are other products which will do this and was hoping for a simple fix

[Pointdump]

Eric,
I guess I just don't understand what you mean by "dissociated" labels. Isn't that kinda the point, that a label is associated with the thing it's labeling? If you don't want association, just use MText.
Dave

[rl_jackson]

You do know that for a simple correction, or addition to a particular label just by selecting the label and right-click you can edit the label text itself or add to it.  I do this all the time with measured calls verse plat calls. 

[Anonymous]

I understand that you are committed to making this work and obviously your work environment is conducive to it.

I see I am not going to get the assistance I need.

Thanks

[wfberry]

Well, I am with Dave and Rick.  In our assessments, it appears difficult to fix something that is not broken.

Bill

[Anonymous]

I am sorry if I am not communicating well enough.

It may not be broken, but it may not be working for others.  I appreciate you time, but this conversation is kind of one sided.

[rl_jackson]

I have yet to see a image or diffinative issue your having. And I do plats and have in C3D exclusively since 2008. 

Now if I and others could understand your problems either visually or otherwise we could assist you greatly. 

Now for an example of my workflow. I always leave my bearings and distances associated. If I have field conditions that don't reflect record information I'll generally draw the record information to the side label that information and explode it to simple mtext and move it above the corresponding associated line label. This is just my preferred method of handling that problem, there our other ways to do this and you can even get fancy and use reference text. 

In short give us a accurate description/picture of your problem and I'm sure I or anyone here can help you with a solution. 

[Neilw_05]

I suspect the issue is they need to show 2 dimensions on the plat lines. One is measured bearing and distance, and the other is record bearing and distance. The OP can achieve this by adding a piece of text to his label style that does not have any association to the linework. It would be a static placeholder. Then after the label is applied they can edit the label to show the record dimensions. This is also how you could create an entirely static un-associated label. Just omit any references to the object. You would still benefit from the label style functionality from C3D. However there is the possibility the labels would get reset to their default values if certain edits are made to the style and any overrides would be lost.

[rl_jackson]

However there is the possibility the labels would get reset to their default values if certain edits are made to the style and any overrides would be lost.

Hence my method of just moving plain text to the location. I usually do this in different text styles and sizes 

[Neilw_05]

Another option is to use dimensions for the labels. They will stay aligned with the object if it moves or rotates, can slide along the lines or arcs or be dragged away, and can be globally modified via the style. The style can disable the display of all the dimension components except the text.