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Anonymous
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‎07-18-2001 12:32 AM
‎07-18-2001 12:32 AM

Advantages over Revit?

I sense that ADT has a lot more control and customization than Revit. I
know Revit is better w/ live sections and elevations right now, and I'm sure
ADesk is working on this for R4. I am curious about other people's
perception of the advantages of ADT over Revit.

Any thoughts?

Christopher


P.S. I haven't read the discussion group rules in a long time. Not sure if
this post goes against the mentioning of other software packages.
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Anonymous
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‎07-18-2001 12:39 AM
‎07-18-2001 12:39 AM

wondering if this will be today's can o'worms???
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎07-18-2001 01:26 AM
‎07-18-2001 01:26 AM

My two-cents:

I don't think you will get much response from Autodesk members on here, I could be wrong...but, I doubt it will happen.

As for actual users: I think that most ADT users are too busy using and learning ADT, and trying to produce work, to be able to fully investigate other products and see whatelse is available.
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎07-18-2001 01:32 AM
‎07-18-2001 01:32 AM

Not to over simplify, but I think it boils down to "Are you in an AutoCAD
(dwg) world, or not". If not, then we can get into the
Revit/ArchiCAD/DataCAD/etc.....merits. Even the closest competitor to
AutoCAD, MicroStation, has tweaked their V8 release to open and write
directly to DWG files, then save them. They do this by disabling certain
features in their software to make it compatible. So, if your clients,
consultants, etc. need DWG, you need ADT, period.

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Regards
------------
Reid M. Addis
Addis Computer Consultants
1-800-841-4418
http://www.addiscomputer.com
raddis@addiscomputer.com
"Christopher Herr" wrote in message
news:480F22C1CE1775210F499A247ED7A166@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I sense that ADT has a lot more control and customization than Revit. I
> know Revit is better w/ live sections and elevations right now, and I'm
sure
> ADesk is working on this for R4. I am curious about other people's
> perception of the advantages of ADT over Revit.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Christopher
>
>
> P.S. I haven't read the discussion group rules in a long time. Not sure
if
> this post goes against the mentioning of other software packages.
>
>
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎07-18-2001 01:33 AM
‎07-18-2001 01:33 AM

I am committed to ADT at this point.  I feel
it is strong software, I believe in what is coming with the Mechanical and
Structural vertical products, etc.  This post is about wanting to
confirm my beliefs.

 

My concern is that AutoDesk's committment to
support legacy information (I concur that they must do this) will hinder or slow
down the migration to a true, live model environment.


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My
two-cents:

I don't think you will get much response from Autodesk members on here, I
could be wrong...but, I doubt it will happen.

As for actual users: I think that most ADT users are too busy using and
learning ADT, and trying to produce work, to be able to fully investigate
other products and see whatelse is available.

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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎07-18-2001 01:42 AM
‎07-18-2001 01:42 AM

Not having ever used Revit, I can't speak objectively (like anybody would
really expect me to, right? ). But I have seen output from the product.
All of said output has been based on very small projects, mostly single
story and very basic forms.

I have yet to see output based on anything of any size or interest,
architecturally.

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"Christopher Herr" wrote in message
news:480F22C1CE1775210F499A247ED7A166@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I sense that ADT has a lot more control and customization than Revit. I
> know Revit is better w/ live sections and elevations right now, and I'm
sure
> ADesk is working on this for R4. I am curious about other people's
> perception of the advantages of ADT over Revit.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Christopher
>
>
> P.S. I haven't read the discussion group rules in a long time. Not sure
if
> this post goes against the mentioning of other software packages.
>
>
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎07-18-2001 01:48 AM
‎07-18-2001 01:48 AM

I appreciate the civility and accommodation of this topic, as well as the
feedback.

Christopher


"Matt Dillon" wrote in message
news:83DF478FFB962EFB4F42CE7B67CA4E68@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Not having ever used Revit, I can't speak objectively (like anybody would
> really expect me to, right? ). But I have seen output from the product.
> All of said output has been based on very small projects, mostly single
> story and very basic forms.
>
> I have yet to see output based on anything of any size or interest,
> architecturally.
>
> --
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> --------
> Please do not email me privately with technical issues
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> --------
>
> Matt Dillon
> Assistant Moderator: Autodesk Discussion Forums
>
> http://www.dccadd.com
>
>
> "Christopher Herr" wrote in message
> news:480F22C1CE1775210F499A247ED7A166@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I sense that ADT has a lot more control and customization than Revit. I
> > know Revit is better w/ live sections and elevations right now, and I'm
> sure
> > ADesk is working on this for R4. I am curious about other people's
> > perception of the advantages of ADT over Revit.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Christopher
> >
> >
> > P.S. I haven't read the discussion group rules in a long time. Not
sure
> if
> > this post goes against the mentioning of other software packages.
> >
> >
>
>
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎07-18-2001 02:09 AM
‎07-18-2001 02:09 AM

I totally agree with this. One of ADT's biggest advantage is that it is
Autocad. There is a learning curve for everyone to learn ADT but most
everyone I've dealt with has used Autocad. If we hire someone new, I may
not be able to train them with ADT but they can still be productive with 2d
Autocad until their training is up to par.

CJ


"Reid M. Addis" wrote in message
news:DDBAEF9DBF5893F5D9D5ACA125C8CE25@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Not to over simplify, but I think it boils down to "Are you in an AutoCAD
> (dwg) world, or not". If not, then we can get into the
> Revit/ArchiCAD/DataCAD/etc.....merits. Even the closest competitor to
> AutoCAD, MicroStation, has tweaked their V8 release to open and write
> directly to DWG files, then save them. They do this by disabling certain
> features in their software to make it compatible. So, if your clients,
> consultants, etc. need DWG, you need ADT, period.
>
> --
> Regards
> ------------
> Reid M. Addis
> Addis Computer Consultants
> 1-800-841-4418
> http://www.addiscomputer.com
> raddis@addiscomputer.com
> "Christopher Herr" wrote in message
> news:480F22C1CE1775210F499A247ED7A166@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I sense that ADT has a lot more control and customization than Revit. I
> > know Revit is better w/ live sections and elevations right now, and I'm
> sure
> > ADesk is working on this for R4. I am curious about other people's
> > perception of the advantages of ADT over Revit.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Christopher
> >
> >
> > P.S. I haven't read the discussion group rules in a long time. Not
sure
> if
> > this post goes against the mentioning of other software packages.
> >
> >
>
>
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎07-18-2001 02:28 AM
‎07-18-2001 02:28 AM

I strongly disagree with this. One only has to look
at the transition mechanical designers are making from Mechanical Desktop to
Inventor. AutoCAD has made it very attractive  offering a "companion" seat
liceense - so you can keep MDT and Inventor going as you transition. Inventor
has full support for both DWG and MDT parts, even though it uses a completly new
(and really really fast) file structure.

 

Of all the criticism Autodesk gets - taking care of
archival and legacy data should not be one of them. I'm looking forward to DWG
becoming a thing of the past.


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I am committed to ADT at this point.  I feel
it is strong software, I believe in what is coming with the Mechanical and
Structural vertical products, etc.  This post is about wanting to
confirm my beliefs.

 

My concern is that AutoDesk's committment to
support legacy information (I concur that they must do this) will hinder or
slow down the migration to a true, live model environment.


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
My
two-cents:

I don't think you will get much response from Autodesk members on here, I
could be wrong...but, I doubt it will happen.

As for actual users: I think that most ADT users are too busy using and
learning ADT, and trying to produce work, to be able to fully investigate
other products and see whatelse is
available.

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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎07-18-2001 02:35 AM
‎07-18-2001 02:35 AM

Aaron, so I'm clear, do you disagree that ADesk
should support legacy data?  What do you think about the relationship
between supporting legacy data and the evolution of the modeling aspect of the
software?

 

Christopher


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

I strongly disagree with this. One only has to
look at the transition mechanical designers are making from Mechanical Desktop
to Inventor. AutoCAD has made it very attractive  offering a "companion"
seat liceense - so you can keep MDT and Inventor going as you transition.
Inventor has full support for both DWG and MDT parts, even though it uses a
completly new (and really really fast) file structure.

 

Of all the criticism Autodesk gets - taking care
of archival and legacy data should not be one of them. I'm looking forward to
DWG becoming a thing of the past.


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

I am committed to ADT at this point.  I
feel it is strong software, I believe in what is coming with the Mechanical
and Structural vertical products, etc.  This post is about wanting
to confirm my beliefs.

 

My concern is that AutoDesk's committment to
support legacy information (I concur that they must do this) will hinder or
slow down the migration to a true, live model environment.


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
My
two-cents:

I don't think you will get much response from Autodesk members on here,
I could be wrong...but, I doubt it will happen.

As for actual users: I think that most ADT users are too busy using and
learning ADT, and trying to produce work, to be able to fully investigate
other products and see whatelse is
available.

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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎07-18-2001 02:43 AM
‎07-18-2001 02:43 AM

I think what Aaron is saying is that he doesn't think support of legacy data
will be an issue. If you look at Inventor, it reads and writes DWG files
with no problem that I'm aware of.

So it stands to reason any future product along those lines for Architecture
would follow the same model.

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http://www.dccadd.com


"Christopher Herr" wrote in message
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Aaron, so I'm clear, do you disagree that ADesk should support legacy data?
What do you think about the relationship between supporting legacy data and
the evolution of the modeling aspect of the software?

Christopher
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎07-18-2001 02:43 AM
‎07-18-2001 02:43 AM

No. I think they should support legacy data and I
think they have done an extreemly good job of it over the years.

However, I do feel that the DWG format is looking a
bit old and not up to the needs of  huge files and 3D work. I'd like to see
DWG become the next DXF - a universal format for file translation.

 

Try opening a 30Mb file in AutoCAD. Not too speedy
eh? Open it in Inventor. 4-5 seconds. ADT takes 15-20 seconds to load on my
laptop. Inventor: 3-4 second.

 

Oh ya. It's also time for the command prompt to
die.

 



style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
Aaron, so I'm clear, do you disagree that ADesk
should support legacy data?  What do you think about the relationship
between supporting legacy data and the evolution of the modeling aspect of the
software?

 

Christopher


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

I strongly disagree with this. One only has to
look at the transition mechanical designers are making from Mechanical
Desktop to Inventor. AutoCAD has made it very attractive  offering a
"companion" seat liceense - so you can keep MDT and Inventor going as you
transition. Inventor has full support for both DWG and MDT parts, even
though it uses a completly new (and really really fast) file
structure.

 

Of all the criticism Autodesk gets - taking
care of archival and legacy data should not be one of them. I'm looking
forward to DWG becoming a thing of the
past.
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎07-18-2001 02:53 AM
‎07-18-2001 02:53 AM

....but back to Revit. I have used Revit and like most software there is
good and bad. People point at it and say, "See - simpler to use." I found
the learning curve about the same as ADT. Yes, there are a few things
Autodesk could learn from - like inserting a door also brings in a door tag.
But it has far fewer basic drafting features than AutoCAD.

Where Revit excelled is in the "out of the box" feel. The sample wall styles
and sheets, look like they were designed by an architect. Who likes the
default layout in ADT? Or the default walls. How many of you drew a ceiling
grid in Mspace using the Imperial Template and said where's my ceiling? And
how about window sills? Who doesn't draw window sills in plan? If Autodesk
had created a better "out of the box" feel for the default settings and
styles, ADT would have hit all time sales records.

"Matt Dillon" wrote in message
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> I think what Aaron is saying is that he doesn't think support of legacy
data
> will be an issue. If you look at Inventor, it reads and writes DWG files
> with no problem that I'm aware of.
>
> So it stands to reason any future product along those lines for
Architecture
> would follow the same model.
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> --------
> Please do not email me privately with technical issues
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> --------
>
> Matt Dillon
> Assistant Moderator: Autodesk Discussion Forums
>
> http://www.dccadd.com
>
>
> "Christopher Herr" wrote in message
> news:FB4B5A711B9C751814BBF3344E5DEC7B@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Aaron, so I'm clear, do you disagree that ADesk should support legacy
data?
> What do you think about the relationship between supporting legacy data
and
> the evolution of the modeling aspect of the software?
>
> Christopher
>
>
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎07-18-2001 02:56 AM
‎07-18-2001 02:56 AM

> Oh ya. It's also time for the command prompt to die.

NEVER!!!!!

I love my command line so much I want all programs to have one.

CJ
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎07-18-2001 03:11 AM
‎07-18-2001 03:11 AM

A quick question for you.. (and also to dispel the comment that no Desker's
will post in this thread 😉

Is it the command line that you love, or more the fact that you have quick
keyboard access to everything..?
This is an important distinction that maybe one day will affect continued
command line access.

--
mark webb
software engineer
building industry division, autodesk



"CJ Follmer" wrote in message
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> > Oh ya. It's also time for the command prompt to die.
>
> NEVER!!!!!
>
> I love my command line so much I want all programs to have one.
>
> CJ
>
>
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎07-18-2001 03:34 AM
‎07-18-2001 03:34 AM

> Is it the command line that you love, or more the fact that > you have
quick keyboard access to everything..?
> This is an important distinction that maybe one day will
> affect continued command line access.

KEYBOARD command initiation needs to remain forever. Chasing icons or
pulldowns is a pain in the arse & it's slow. You waste time & screen space
using them. I understand that it's easier to teach people to use a pulldown
or an icon to start a command, but if you want to be fast, you use the left
hand on the keyboard & right hand on the mouse. Call the tower for
clearance, because that's the way to really fly.... no offense intended,
just replying to Mark Webb, IMHO.
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎07-18-2001 03:34 AM
‎07-18-2001 03:34 AM

Thanks, that was the kind of answer I expected.
Keyboard access (and QUICK keyboard access at that) is vital. Having a
command line to enable this is not necessarily vital...

Agreed/disagreed ?

--
mark webb
software engineer
building industry division, autodesk



"scott h" wrote in message
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> > Is it the command line that you love, or more the fact that > you have
> quick keyboard access to everything..?
> > This is an important distinction that maybe one day will
> > affect continued command line access.
>
> KEYBOARD command initiation needs to remain forever. Chasing icons or
> pulldowns is a pain in the arse & it's slow. You waste time & screen
space
> using them. I understand that it's easier to teach people to use a
pulldown
> or an icon to start a command, but if you want to be fast, you use the
left
> hand on the keyboard & right hand on the mouse. Call the tower for
> clearance, because that's the way to really fly.... no offense intended,
> just replying to Mark Webb, IMHO.
>
>
>
>
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎07-18-2001 03:40 AM
‎07-18-2001 03:40 AM

I'm not sure what the alternative to a command line would be and still have
keyboard access, so I'll disagree. Don't EVER lose the command line. It's
one of many things that makes AutoCAD BETTER then many of the other products
out there. At least keep it as an option.

-Brian

"mark webb, autodesk" wrote in message
news:DC6C73A98BB4C4CF2807C87418158EF7@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Thanks, that was the kind of answer I expected.
> Keyboard access (and QUICK keyboard access at that) is vital. Having a
> command line to enable this is not necessarily vital...
>
> Agreed/disagreed ?
>
> --
> mark webb
> software engineer
> building industry division, autodesk
>
>
>
> "scott h" wrote in message
> news:821F7364CC1E634425077376A78C1F09@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Is it the command line that you love, or more the fact that > you have
> > quick keyboard access to everything..?
> > > This is an important distinction that maybe one day will
> > > affect continued command line access.
> >
> > KEYBOARD command initiation needs to remain forever. Chasing icons or
> > pulldowns is a pain in the arse & it's slow. You waste time & screen
> space
> > using them. I understand that it's easier to teach people to use a
> pulldown
> > or an icon to start a command, but if you want to be fast, you use the
> left
> > hand on the keyboard & right hand on the mouse. Call the tower for
> > clearance, because that's the way to really fly.... no offense
intended,
> > just replying to Mark Webb, IMHO.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎07-18-2001 04:01 AM
‎07-18-2001 04:01 AM

It's the speed that I like most as scott says but I do use the text output
alot. My F2 key gets used alot. Sometimes I like to use the LIST command
to see information quickly and not have to "close" another dialog box. I
like my icons. They are how I learned autocad (13 so ya know) but when I
started work, they were still on 12 so I had to relearn and thus learned at
the command line. Now I'm a left-handed keyboarder and right-handed mouser.
:^/

I constantly find myself type ZE to zoom extents in PageMaker!!! You can't
beat that speed with icons or pulldowns.

CJ


"Brian Harder" wrote in message
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> I'm not sure what the alternative to a command line would be and still
have
> keyboard access, so I'll disagree. Don't EVER lose the command line.
It's
> one of many things that makes AutoCAD BETTER then many of the other
products
> out there. At least keep it as an option.
>
> -Brian
>
> "mark webb, autodesk" wrote in message
> news:DC6C73A98BB4C4CF2807C87418158EF7@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Thanks, that was the kind of answer I expected.
> > Keyboard access (and QUICK keyboard access at that) is vital. Having a
> > command line to enable this is not necessarily vital...
> >
> > Agreed/disagreed ?
> >
> > --
> > mark webb
> > software engineer
> > building industry division, autodesk
> >
> >
> >
> > "scott h" wrote in message
> > news:821F7364CC1E634425077376A78C1F09@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > Is it the command line that you love, or more the fact that > you
have
> > > quick keyboard access to everything..?
> > > > This is an important distinction that maybe one day will
> > > > affect continued command line access.
> > >
> > > KEYBOARD command initiation needs to remain forever. Chasing icons or
> > > pulldowns is a pain in the arse & it's slow. You waste time & screen
> > space
> > > using them. I understand that it's easier to teach people to use a
> > pulldown
> > > or an icon to start a command, but if you want to be fast, you use the
> > left
> > > hand on the keyboard & right hand on the mouse. Call the tower for
> > > clearance, because that's the way to really fly.... no offense
> intended,
> > > just replying to Mark Webb, IMHO.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous
‎07-18-2001 04:13 AM
‎07-18-2001 04:13 AM

I do demos of ADT with all the menus and toolbars unloaded.... All right
clicks and hot keys.
3D Viz, Word, et. al. all have hot keys and many take advantage of a slick
keyboard+mouse interface that is lacking in AutoCAD.

The step-by-step command line hampers the modeless interface we have come
to expect for all other programs.

...now CorelDraw - there's a speedy interface: gotta love dynamic toolbars.

"Brian Harder" wrote in message
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> I'm not sure what the alternative to a command line would be and still
have
> keyboard access, so I'll disagree. Don't EVER lose the command line.
It's
> one of many things that makes AutoCAD BETTER then many of the other
products
> out there. At least keep it as an option.
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