Dimensioning in model or paper space

[MikeKovacik4928]

Hi All

I have a new job and am back to working in 2d in autocad lt after many years of working in 3d in Inventor.

(I still do stuff in 3d  in Inventor at home on Inventor 2023)

I had to log onto the forum from the company under another identity, so I am now on the autodesk forums twice

under two different usernames

I am asking this question from home under my MikeKovacik4928 username.

I do my dimensioning in model space not paper space, as I did many years ago, when I worked in 2d in autocad before.

I have seen some drafters, where I am,  doing dimensions in paper space.

I prefer doing dimensions in model space, and making them annotative, then it is not a problem

making another viewport using that same view to a different scale.

Making the dimensions in paper space, means having to redo them all over again if you want to make a new different viewport with the same view.

I did ask this same question many years ago on the forum and the response I got was that it didn't really make any difference, it was just user preference. Well,  my user preference is definitely model space.

What does everybody else out there do?

Michael Kovacik

Autocad/Inventor 2d/3d Mechanical Draughtsman

Johannesburg South Africa

Inventor 2023

Autocad Lt 2024

[MikeKovacik4928]

Hi All

I have a new job and am back to working in 2d in autocad lt after many years of working in 3d in Inventor.

(I still do stuff in 3d  in Inventor at home on Inventor 2023)

I had to log onto the forum from the company under another identity, so I am now on the autodesk forums twice

under two different usernames

I am asking this question from home under my MikeKovacik4928 username.

I do my dimensioning in model space not paper space, as I did many years ago, when I worked in 2d in autocad before.

I have seen some drafters, where I am,  doing dimensions in paper space.

I prefer doing dimensions in model space, and making them annotative, then it is not a problem

making another viewport using that same view to a different scale.

Making the dimensions in paper space, means having to redo them all over again if you want to make a new different viewport with the same view.

I did ask this same question many years ago on the forum and the response I got was that it didn't really make any difference, it was just user preference. Well,  my user preference is definitely model space.

What does everybody else out there do?

Michael Kovacik

Autocad/Inventor 2d/3d Mechanical Draughtsman

Johannesburg South Africa

Inventor 2023

Autocad Lt 2024

[paullimapa]

I place Dimensions at whereever the object is drawn. So if it's drawn in Model space then that's where I'll place the Dimensions. Likewise, if the object is in Layout, that's where I'll place the Dimensions. This way when the object changes like gets stretched then the Dimensions that are associated with it gets updated as well. Otherwise you'll have to spend the time and remember to also update the Dimensions separately.

[paullimapa]

I place Dimensions at whereever the object is drawn. So if it's drawn in Model space then that's where I'll place the Dimensions. Likewise, if the object is in Layout, that's where I'll place the Dimensions. This way when the object changes like gets stretched then the Dimensions that are associated with it gets updated as well. Otherwise you'll have to spend the time and remember to also update the Dimensions separately.

[MikeKovacik4928]

Thanks

Agree with that totally. Dimensions in the same space as the object is drawn in.

In most cases in mechanical draughting, the object will be drawn in model space.

This way the dimensions are attached to and  follow whatever changes might happen on the model

[MikeKovacik4928]

Thanks

Agree with that totally. Dimensions in the same space as the object is drawn in.

In most cases in mechanical draughting, the object will be drawn in model space.

This way the dimensions are attached to and  follow whatever changes might happen on the model

[pendean]

We also "...place Dimensions at whereever the object is drawn ..." in our offices, they are never ever in different spaces and there is really no good argument at all IMHO for that option, unless you were just taught that way and are incapable of changing (or come from a paper-drafting background where vellums are layered and you treat AutoCAD paperspace as that old-school concept).

[pendean]

We also "...place Dimensions at whereever the object is drawn ..." in our offices, they are never ever in different spaces and there is really no good argument at all IMHO for that option, unless you were just taught that way and are incapable of changing (or come from a paper-drafting background where vellums are layered and you treat AutoCAD paperspace as that old-school concept).

[RobRocks]

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@pendean wrote:
there is really no good argument at all IMHO for that option, 

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There are a number of valid reasons for doing annotations in paper space. Personal preference is as good as any. Company standards is another. Complex modeling with many sheets referencing the same area would be another one.

But hey, that's just me and I'm not going to argue.

[RobRocks]

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@pendean wrote:
there is really no good argument at all IMHO for that option, 

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There are a number of valid reasons for doing annotations in paper space. Personal preference is as good as any. Company standards is another. Complex modeling with many sheets referencing the same area would be another one.

But hey, that's just me and I'm not going to argue.

[pendean]

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@RobRocks wrote:

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...Personal preference is as good as any. Company standards is another...

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Those are just "how they've always done things" , much like I wrote, which is another topic altogether that we probably should avoid too.

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@RobRocks wrote:

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Complex modeling with many sheets referencing the same area would be another one.

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There are worthwhile workflows to explore in the program for that too.

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@RobRocks wrote:

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But hey, that's just me and I'm not going to argue.

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We're just chatting here, in a friendly manner.

[pendean]

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@RobRocks wrote:

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...Personal preference is as good as any. Company standards is another...

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Those are just "how they've always done things" , much like I wrote, which is another topic altogether that we probably should avoid too.

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@RobRocks wrote:

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Complex modeling with many sheets referencing the same area would be another one.

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There are worthwhile workflows to explore in the program for that too.

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@RobRocks wrote:

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But hey, that's just me and I'm not going to argue.

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We're just chatting here, in a friendly manner.

[RobRocks]

One thing I've learned from working with a number of companies in a variety of fields is that one should NEVER dismiss workflows when they don't conform to your own. Not everyone is experts at CAD and sometimes so called "proper" ways of doing things interferes with getting the job done. Smaller companies, for example, often come up with things that are not with established best practices and they get along just fine.

Your opinions don't invalidate workflows and should probably be kept to yourself. Annotating in paper space is an invaluable tool for some and is definitely good argument for doing it, despite your opinion. Generalities like "no good argument" are inherently wrong and best kept to oneself.

[RobRocks]

One thing I've learned from working with a number of companies in a variety of fields is that one should NEVER dismiss workflows when they don't conform to your own. Not everyone is experts at CAD and sometimes so called "proper" ways of doing things interferes with getting the job done. Smaller companies, for example, often come up with things that are not with established best practices and they get along just fine.

Your opinions don't invalidate workflows and should probably be kept to yourself. Annotating in paper space is an invaluable tool for some and is definitely good argument for doing it, despite your opinion. Generalities like "no good argument" are inherently wrong and best kept to oneself.

[jskalaXDDX5]

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[jskalaXDDX5]

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