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Why does AutoCAD still exist?

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Why does AutoCAD still exist?

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I am very tired of AutoCAD as a student. AutoCAD by far is the most time consuming, annoying, stress inducing software I have ever tried to learn. The commands are backwards, you have to click in certain patters like a robot, such as if you want to copy something you would have to enter a ridiculous amount of keys and clicks to finally do something, then God forbid if you are in a command and you mess up, then you have to go through 10 different processes again. It is not user friendly to say the least.

 

I own Inventor, 3DS Max, Maya, Mudbox, and Revit, I would rather stare at the Sun with the most high powered telescope you could get me, it really is that bad. I honestly don't know why we have to learn this program, it was obsolete 10 years ago, there are many different 3D programs out there that you can do the same thing in, It kills me that companies still use it. If I want to build a model in AuoCAD, I would probably have to do it 4 times over compared to Inventor, why? 

 

The only applications I could see this being useful in would be electrical schematics and house plans, but even then there are programs that do that more quickly and easily.

 

Other 3D programs of what AutoCAD does in less than half the time and no stress, I can't be the only one that feels this way... I don't understand why this software is just flung at students, why companies would still use it, and why it isn't easier to use, it's way too time consuming to learn when you know there is no reason to learn it...

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TheCADnoob
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Game design means you are learning of those things, you likely wont be called upon to know everything and likely wont be doing everything from the ground up. if AutoCAD isn't your cup of tea, learn enough to past the test and move on. Don't waste any more time than necessary if you don't like it. focus on the things in game design you are better at. 

 

Vanilla AutoCAD would definitely seem like a hard way to approach game design compared to some of the other tools available. just hang in there long enough to make it out of that class and focus your time on something you are better at or feel more comfortable with.  

 

Id check out and invest more time on the explicite game development platforms Maya and 3DS max https://www.autodesk.com/industry/media-entertainment/game-design-and-development

 

 

CADnoob

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ralvarado
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I strongly disagree.

Pro-e/Creo, Solidworks and Inventor are all capable of creating large assemblies and drawings.

What empirical evidence do you base your Blanket statement "3d programs are crap in that"?


@injineri wrote:

It still exists because in Autocad is most comfortable to do precise and organized drawings from which workers can make details or constructions, or assembles. 3D programs are crap in that. No one serious will make products from visualized models.


Many companies seriously do manufacture products using 3D programs.

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MikeKovacik4928
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I work in both Inventor and Autocad

Inventor can do large assemblies to a certain degree, but when they get too large, the computer really slows down and it becomes too slow to work with, even with the best top of the range desktop like I have at work.

I therefore do my really large assemblies in AutoCAD 2d and only my smaller and medium size assemblies in Inventor.

I have a method where in the larger 3d Inventor assemblies I will have 2 versions of the component to be inserted,

one with " high detail" and one with "low detail". The high detail would only be needed for a manufacturing drawing anyway not a large assembly drawing where the "low detail" is adequate (ie certain feature left out completely thus showing more of an outline or profile of the object}

So I tend to not agree totally with ralvarado that Inventor can handle large assemblies. It is limited, but can handle medium size assemblies ( say anything less than about 1000 components with a moderate amount of detail}.

Having said that, Inventor is still a fantastic program and where I can I use it rather than autocad I will.

It has much more capabilities for automation, which I am starting to use extensively. Ie linking parameters to excel spreadsheets

 

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j.palmeL29YX
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@MikeKovacik4928  schrieb:

 

Inventor can do large assemblies to a certain degree, but when they get too large, the computer really slows down and it becomes too slow to work with, even with the best top of the range desktop like I have at work.

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So I tend to not agree totally with ralvarado that Inventor can handle large assemblies. It is limited, but can handle medium size assemblies ( say anything less than about 1000 components with a moderate amount of detail}.



 

I can't agree with that.

 IV projects with far more than 100,000 components have already been realized several times and are surprisingly stable and easy to handle - if you use Inventor skilfully.

 

cadder

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MikeKovacik4928
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That's certainly good news

You must share some of those skills with me!

I will open the file at work tomorrow where I had to discontinue adding components in

because it was becoming too slow, and also make a summary of how I constructed the assembly,

and how many components were in it and share it with you tomorrow evening.

Maybe the type of drawing I am doing differs to the type you are doing,

I use lots of components constrained together and polar arrayed many times with many occurrences

 ( formwork for a circular reservoir)

 

Mike

 

j.palmeL29YX
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@MikeKovacik4928  schrieb:

 

You must share some of those skills with me!


 


 

A well thought-out structure of the assembly, the multiple use of substitutes and LODs and many other aspects to be considered lead to success. This is a very broad field that would go beyond the scope of a forum help. As a first starting point for reading I add a .pdf.
By the way: In a german (where I come from) Forum this topic was often discussed. You will find there many useful/helpful tips (if you can read/understand German). Also a web search "large assemblies" I would recommend.

 

HTH

cadder

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MikeKovacik4928
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Thanks

I will read your attachment and investigate.

I would really like to get to grips with big assemblies.

I need to some studying of this subject at home!!

I am at work now, just opened the drawing I was talking about

4002 instances of components, also parameters linked to a spreadsheet.

This could be what is slowing it down (the link to excel) rather than the large number of instances??

 

Mike

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j.palmeL29YX
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@MikeKovacik4928  schrieb:
... also parameters linked to a spreadsheet.

This could be what is slowing it down (the link to excel) rather than the large number of instances??

 

 


 

hard to tell from afar. can be, can not be.

I's suggest to close this discussion here. Please open a new thread about "How to handle large assemblies" or similar.

 

cadder

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Anonymous
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Mike , using it for 30 years ? The point is that computer power and the concept of "user friendly" have developed and changed, eliminating the need for years of training and thinking that is not "INTUITIVE". 

Computer programs (Apps) have changes from being specialized, training required, user manual required puzzles to general use, the program does the work, assistants. 

Autodesk either needs to invest the money to re program top down or fire the Fortran-programmer vice-president that grunts out these weak annual revisions that the Board buys as being innovative. 

Enterprise that does not serve the people, will not last ! 

But OMG 30 years! This is the last dinosaur that needs to be Iced. 

The processor background use, indicates the level of computer assistance and update like a GPS map. constantly updating/thinking/helping/suggesting.

The computer program should not stop helping, each time it requires input. it should be like I.E.'s Dr. Know. if there's a pause, it should start suggesting or explaining. Interactive. 

User Friendly not User enslavement to tutorials, classes, tutors, book, manuals, setting etc.

What good is a prompt if the explanation is so complicated that a high-schooler can't understand it. They understand and navigate RTS and RPG's. 

I'm moving towards and reviewing CAD apps for tablets/mobile. They are demanding more creative packages. 

Mobile CAD compared to Ares TOUCH or ProdgeCAD or TurboCAD. 

And the price ? Try a win-win cycle. Easy-use product, more users, more sales, better product, more users,  more sales and repeat. (The Greedy with become the Needy)

 

 

 

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MikeKovacik4928
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Yes

21 years experience in autocad 2d & 3d and 9 years experience in Inventor and PROUD of it!

I was excited when I moved off the drawing board to cad, and will be excited at the next generation of software

when it comes out and will embrace it like I embraced cad.

The software is complicated to learn, but that is the nature of software at the present moment in time

and we live with and use what we have,  and we get on with it!!

 

Mike

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RobDraw
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@MikeKovacik4928 wrote:

I was excited when I moved off the drawing board to cad, and will be excited at the next generation of software

when it comes out and will embrace it like I embraced cad.


Me thinks you might have missed the boat on that one. The "next generation" software, Revit", is already starting to get a bit old. Small companies are not only utilizing it but using it as their primary production software. I've been using it for nearly 10 years, almost as long as I had used AutoCAD before starting to use Revit. The writing on the wall about Revit is already fading. I've got a feeling that the true next generation software will start to show some signs in the not too distant future.


Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.
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MikeKovacik4928
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Rob

Probably. I've never used Revit and have no idea how it works.

Educate me. Give me a bit of a summary of how it works and what it does.

Is it used for one particular field or a variety of fields (ie mechanical ? architectural? structural? etc)

To me, with only autocad and inventor experience, Inventor is already the next generation beyond autocad,

but due to my lack of exposure, I suppose I am behind the times.

 

Mike

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RobDraw
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@MikeKovacik4928 wrote:

Rob

Educate me. Give me a bit of a summary of how it works and what it does.

 

Mike


 

That's a tall order there, @MikeKovacik4928. I don't normally help those who don't help themselves but I'm goin got make an exception thistime. In the time that it took me to type this, you could have already been well on your way to learning about it.

 

Try this for starters:

http://bfy.tw/L8VV


Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.
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MikeKovacik4928
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Rob

 

Thanks will have a look, and will try to keep a more open mind in future.

Thumbs up for the forum!!

 

Mike

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MikeKovacik4928
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Rob

Ha Ha. Very funny!!

Hint taken, will investigate in future before I ask

 

Mike

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gmarken
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There was, still is a 2D cad program called Anvil, that was the simplest easiest to use software that put AutoCad to shame. AutoCad is mediocre to poor software with excellent marketing. I agree, I would rather use a stick in dirt than design or detail anything with AutoCrap. Note, I am an Inventor/SolidWorks user for 20 plus years.

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RobDraw
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@gmarken wrote:

There was, still is a 2D cad program called Anvil, that was the simplest easiest to use software that put AutoCad to shame. AutoCad is mediocre to poor software with excellent marketing. I agree, I would rather use a stick in dirt than design or detail anything with AutoCrap. Note, I am an Inventor/SolidWorks user for 20 plus years.


 

^^ Another naïve user complaining about something that they don't know about.

 

AutoCAD is much more than a drafting tool.


Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.

gmarken
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Naïve, perhaps that is not quite correct. Its just that I went from the board to HP ME10 cad software to Anvil, to AutoCad. Both of those programs were much simpler and powerful in their day, I am talking 1985 or there about. Anvil was two floppy discs to AutoCad' s 13 and it did every thing that AutoCad did but better. For example, notes were real notes, not placing leaders and then single lines  of text.

So, you have a point. If you learn the program I am sure that it does a great job. Training is the key, however, not being a full time user it is just a royal pain in the ass.

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RobDraw
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@gmarken wrote:

Naïve, perhaps that is not quite correct. 

So, you have a point. If you learn the program I am sure that it does a great job. Training is the key, however, not being a full time user it is just a royal pain in the ass.


 

You're contradicting yourself.

 

You are also ignoring the fact that AutoCAD is capable of much more than 2D drafting.

 

You can't expect to fly a jet if you've only ever driven a car.


Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.
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gmarken
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Once you move to Solids, it doesn't matter anyway. Enjoy your jet.

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