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Why does AutoCAD still exist?

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Why does AutoCAD still exist?

Anonymous
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I am very tired of AutoCAD as a student. AutoCAD by far is the most time consuming, annoying, stress inducing software I have ever tried to learn. The commands are backwards, you have to click in certain patters like a robot, such as if you want to copy something you would have to enter a ridiculous amount of keys and clicks to finally do something, then God forbid if you are in a command and you mess up, then you have to go through 10 different processes again. It is not user friendly to say the least.

 

I own Inventor, 3DS Max, Maya, Mudbox, and Revit, I would rather stare at the Sun with the most high powered telescope you could get me, it really is that bad. I honestly don't know why we have to learn this program, it was obsolete 10 years ago, there are many different 3D programs out there that you can do the same thing in, It kills me that companies still use it. If I want to build a model in AuoCAD, I would probably have to do it 4 times over compared to Inventor, why? 

 

The only applications I could see this being useful in would be electrical schematics and house plans, but even then there are programs that do that more quickly and easily.

 

Other 3D programs of what AutoCAD does in less than half the time and no stress, I can't be the only one that feels this way... I don't understand why this software is just flung at students, why companies would still use it, and why it isn't easier to use, it's way too time consuming to learn when you know there is no reason to learn it...

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Everyone here who is justifying how autocad, whatever version or flavor is still the best are Autodesk fan boys. Mechanical, electrical, structural have gone else where, even architects are more proficient with MS paint. lets look at the word AutoCAD.... it doesnt Auto anything and it barely CADs. Do the software development team even read the crash reports? I dont think so or they would see that the fortune 500 company I work at sending thousands of crash reports a day. Autodesk go broke and go away!

 

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pendean
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>>>...fortune 500 company I work at sending thousands of crash reports a day...<<<

If you all are crashing that often and for so many users you probably should get it fixed instead of just hoping an error-report send online might somehow find a miracle cure :cara_con_una_leve_sonrisa:

Start a new post if you wish to try and solve a problem or more.


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thellums
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What does AutoCad exist?

 

Let me introduce you to my 'dropped as a baby' friend, Microstation.

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Anonymous
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 seriously have you ever tried a different product? they are SO.MUCH.BETTER.

i thought today that i almost made it through a week without raging at autocad for its stupidity and outdatedness, but then i wanted to simply change the font of a bunch of text...guess what, its not possible to just change the font without changing the size and everything else as well(or its so complicated and hidden that i didn't find out). a matter of 3 clicks in any other cad.

pls devs, dont bother releasing another version next year, jsut shut the whole thing down, so i might not be forced to work with this pathetic excuse for a cad anymore

 

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thellums
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Enthusiast

May I suggest spellchecker before you post?

 

 

Just saying.

 

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MikeKovacik4928
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AutoCAD is still an excellent 2d software. For 3d it is not so good and is easily beaten by Inventor, and I believe

most other parametric modelling softwares ( Solidworks etc)

I have used autocad since the days of AutoCAD 14, no complaints, very flexible software with many different uses.

Well done Autodesk, keep up the good work!

 

Michael Kovacik
2d & 3d Autocad and Inventor designer/draughtsman/trainer
Inventor Pro 2018; Autocad 2018
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Draughting/Designing (Manufacturing) (32 yrs)
-Drawing Board (3 yrs)
--Cad (29 yrs)
---Cadkey (4 yrs)
---AutoCAD 2d & 3d (16 yrs)
---Inventor (5 yrs)
---Autocad and Inventor Simultaneously (5 years)
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Johannesburg, South Africa
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(Impossible only means you haven't
found the solution yet)

 

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Discussion_Admin
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Everyone,

 

While this is an interesting thread I have had to remove and edit some post.

 

So please remember these are professional forums and as such deserve a professional decorum when participating.

Thanks
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Anonymous
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Good question. I've been using AutoCAD for over 10 years and I agree: its a terrible program.

 

Everything is hard. Every feature and setting is buried 10 layers down some unrelated menu. Its slow. Its inefficient. It won't allow you to customize simple things easily (why can't I just set locked layers to be unselectable without going through some huge process with the 0 layer and defpoints?). Its like Microsoft Word: it tries to be everything, so you can do anything, but its just not good at anything.

 

Anyone that is telling you that AutoCAD is great is only saying that because they know the program and they probably don't know any other programs nearly as well. I work in the building industry and I don't understand why anyone would ever use AutoCAD when they could use Revit. Need a structural column detail? Easy--just make a section where the components meet, lock the section, and add a couple notes. Need to show a fan detail? Easy--just update your duct routing preferences to show greater detail, draw a section, and add some notes. IT REALLY IS THAT EASY. 

j.palmeL29YX
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@Anonymous wrote:

 

... I don't understand why anyone would ever use AutoCAD when they could use Revit. 


 

[sarcasm on]

I also don't understand why someone should use a saw if he wants to drill a hole.

[sarcasm off]

 

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Anonymous
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I'm not sure that the Revit is programmed in a user friendly way.
I don't trust Autodesk now.
their thinking is old.
They think users are programers and 15 years ago that was true.
They don't use the horsepower of todays machines to make the program
"intelligent" and helpful. the cpu just sits there instead of assisting.
they still think in terms of "commands" and parameters instead of "my
selection" and "show me all the things I can do " without asking.
I'm skeptical that Revit is a "Helpful" thinking application.
It's probably still a program waiting to be told what to do with hidden
controls and parameters that have to be researched to be discovered.

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RobDraw
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It seems that you and a lot of other people posting here are not aware of the abilities or history of AutoCAD.


Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.
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thellums
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To flesh out what Mr. J said......

 

To answer your question why not use Revit instead of autocad.

 

The same reason you don't use a shovel to hang a picture or use a hammer to plant a tree.

 

You use the right tool for the job at hand.

bukko
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@injineri wrote:

It still exists because in Autocad is most comfortable to do precise and organized drawings from which workers can make details or constructions, or assembles. 3D programs are crap in that. No one serious will make products from visualized models.


You have no idea what you're talking about. 

Most advanced manufacturing is done in 3d parametric modeling programs these days.  

This also includes the construction industry.

 

Autocad's main problem is that it's trying to compete in the 3d world and the it's code is antiquated garbage.  

 

 

 

Alfred.NESWADBA
Consultant
Consultant

Hi,

 

>> Most advanced manufacturing is done in 3d

>> parametric modeling

Not sure why I would need parametric modelling to work with GIS-like data like parcels, streets, doing land-use planing, ... just to show some samples where parametric modelling would be more an obstacle than a helper.

Also who needs to use a parametric software to draw some schematics or circuit diagrams, ...

 

Also quite clear that I use a type of parametric modeling when using AutoCAD Civil 3D and getting things like corridors, pipe networks, pressure networks, ... done (partially using Inventor for basic items, and then using them in AutoCAD Civil 3D).

 

The best suggestion here is as simple as use the tool that is working best for the job to do.

Like Revit or ArchiCAD could be the best tool for architectural work; Inventor, Fusion 360, Solidworks for some type of mechanical engineering, also AutoCAD has a lot of functionality to get things done faster/more efficient compared to other products.

It is incorrect to state "one product is worse than the other" (without knowing what to be done) or "this product is useless" as a general statement.

No product, that is sold and used millions of times, could be that bad.

 

- alfred -

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bukko
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Alfred,

 

I don't recall saying "All" advanced manufacturing is done with parametric modeling....

Not sure if  you're familiar with Revit, Tekla, SDS or Advance Steel but these are the packages we use and the majority of the projects that we get from our clients are created in a 3d software like Revit etc....

 

We have avoided hiring "old school" detailers and drafters mostly because they have not updated their skill set to use these newer parametric 3d packages like the ones I've mentioned.

That's a real shame because a person with many years of experience could really benifit from these newer technologies.

Most of these people create a bizzare phobia in their minds about learning something new and they justify against  it with rediculous expamples of how they can work faster on a particular aspect of a project. They ignore the fact that they are totally out of the loop when it comes to BOM, Parts numbering, Nc1 file creation etc.  On large projects they don't have a chance to keep up with the newer software packages in the hands of a skilled detailer.

 

We have a robotic beamline that uses nc1 files and the list goes on and on for the advantages of the 3d parametric softwares.  BOM, parts numbering, advanced macros for geometry creation etc.... 2d Autocad cannot compete in this arena and the gap is widening each year. 

 

Although parametric modelers have far superior sketching tools Autocad is the standard for 2d sketching. Autocad's 2d workflow is very good. 

 

As the 3dBIM world matures Autocad will become less relevant IMO.  Unfortunately because of it's need for backward compatibility Autocad is looking more and more like an after thought of patchwork coding. As Autodesk continues to develop Autocad for 3d I find that it's legacy graphics engine just doesn't cut it compared to a package that was designed with 3d in mind from the ground up. 

 

Autocad is also a single thread application so it's performance is pisss poor as the projects get larger.

 

The wave of the future for Construction and Arch design will be some kind of 3d VR coupled with these 3d apps. These technologies are developing fast and will be the board room standard soon enough. Not sure will Autocad will fall in all of this but I'm sure it will be around for a while.

 

Craig

 

 

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thellums
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I sadly have to agree with the old school designers who shy away from new concepts and work flows. I have seen some workers who could not grasp the concept of 3D.....even with basic visual aids such as pipe cleaners.

 

In the day of fast updates in computer equipment (RAM, MOBO, Chip), software companies have to do one of two things......adapt.....upgrade their programs or adopt......buy out a up and coming software upstart. either way, sitting on one's buttocks and do nothing will eventually get you a one way trip to the house scratching your unemployed a$$.

 

3D is in fact, the way of the future, be it in large sky scrapers or on a new roadway. Now, it is about cutting costs of design and manufacture and only 3D will allow you do that......that a good train staff.

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0x3FA5
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Alternating between keyboard and mouse 3 times just to draw a circle is stupid, annoying and slowing down any efficient engineer.

There was no choice 30 years ago, there is now.

Please, let me repeat:

Alternating between keyboard and mouse 3 times just to draw a circle is:

* stupid

* annoying

* slowing down any efficient engineer

* stupid

thellums
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I called the slaughter house and they said that they won't take a horse that has been dead this long. 

:ataúd:<---:cara_de_caballo:

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RobDraw
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@0x3FA5 wrote:

Alternating between keyboard and mouse 3 times just to draw a circle


 

I can name that tune in 2 clicks.


Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.
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RobDraw
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Who let the dogs out? Who? Who? Who?


Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.
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