Table - Attribute Block - Glitch

[acicci]

Hello all

I've created a very basic table style / table for a door schedule. It includes three separate attribute blocks that are included for Door Number, Finish, and Hardware. I'm having the following issue.

When I save my document, if I am zoomed out far enough from the table, then When I mouse my cursor over the table, It changes the size of a bunch of cells. It does this without updating the borders or blocks though, so I end up with tags floating around randomly near the table. Adding to the confusion, if I then explode the table and select a block, it will have additional attribute tags added to it! The only sort of troubleshooting thing I've been able to figure out is that this only occurs in rows where the cells have 2 or more attribute blocks in them. I've included the file below with the table, post glitch.

Does anyone know what's going on? I've tried

Remaking the table

Remaking the table style

WBlocking the table

Wblocking the table, remaking the table style, and remaking the table.

Remaking the blocks.

Regards

[Anonymous]

I downloaded your file, and opened with (plain vanilla) ACAD 2021.

No matter where I zoomed, panned, hovered, clicked, etc. I was unable to reproduce the behavior you note.

I exploded the table, and all of the tags stayed just where they were in relation to the gridlines, and the tags I looked at each only had a single attribute...completely unable to reproduce your issue.

Is your AutoCAD version fully up to date? (and did it recently change?)

Is Windows fully up to date?

Are you running any add-ons or other customization?

Did you have this table or something similar functioning in the past, and now it doesn't, or is the first run at this type of table you have tried?

Let us know, since unless someone else replies that they can reproduce the glitch(es), my assumption is there would have to be something specific to your machine.

[acicci]

Hi and thanks for responding

Cad is fully up to date

Windows is fully up to date

I have some very simple Lisps I've created loaded (these are basic commands to do simple things like set variables or print all the drawing layers for me)

This is the first run of this table, I had been using the MAC cad for a while because that's what my office provided, and the mac cad doesn't do table styles. Now that I'm working from home I've decided to start producing some since I'm working on a PC

I'm going to include some screenshots of the file I had uploaded here. so you can hopefully see the issue.

01: normal table

02: weird behaviour (note the floating values)

03: If I copy the table it just shows it as massively expanded

Now the extra weirdness is that for me, if I explode the table in step 2, the blocks will have those additional floating attriubutes added into them

[Anonymous]

Without knowing exactly what the cell widths/heights are in your (as desired?) image-1 and your file that I downloaded I can't say it didn't change at all when I opened it and messed around with it, but it sure looks the same. In the attached file, I changed your table style so that all cells were formatted as "Data", and renamed the style. See if this behaves for you. (I have had a few weird episodes when using the "Header" and "Title" cell styles, so I thought it would be worth a try)

Let us know if it behaves any differently.

[acicci]

I downloaded this file but the issue persists. I can tell you in the images I uploaded that the row(s) being affected are any row that has 2 or more blocks in a single cell. The size change appears to be random. I'm including a video of exactly what I do to cause this. As you can see I zoom out, and if I'm moused over the table when I save, it breaks. Now there are some other cases that cause the issue, But this is the most common one. sometimes when I save elsewhere in the document and return to the table, I find that it's happened without my being any where near it

[Anonymous]

That is indeed odd, never seen anything like that happen (and I still can't make it happen here). I'm afraid I'm out of ideas...hopefully someone else out there has encountered something similar.

[acicci]

I'm wondering if it's a system variable that I have set? Can you make a dump of your system variables so I can check them against mine? If anything obvious jumps out I can test it. I'm glad to know that it's not an issue with how I make tables but I need to get to the bottom of this

[dmfrazier]

This does not look like a system variable issue.

It looks (sounds/feels/smells) more like a "down in the weeds" issue with the AutoCAD installation.

You might try Resetting AutoCAD back to defaults (or simply loading an uncustomized, vanilla profile), or (gasp) a re-install.

[Anonymous]

Well, I learned something today- I never knew one could export the entire list of system variables and current values until I looked it up on the internet and found out how to do it- attached, and hope it helps. I had to zip it to (hopefully) get it past the filters...

[Anonymous]

PS- I tend to agree with @dmfrazier 's suggestion that it sounds like something in the program itself malfunctioning, or an oddity caused by either an add-on or a load-at-startup lisp- have you checked to make sure none of the sort are the case? (easiest way to test this theory is to launch in >safe mode<) easy to undo after the test run too.

[acicci]

So I tried resetting CAD to defaults, booting in safe mode, all that. 

The problem persists. Is there any chance at all that this has to do with my hardware? At this point I'm getting a little bit desparate.

[dmfrazier]

I don't think it's likely to be hardware (and what hardware would it be?).

I think it's more likely something in the OS or .Net (but I'm certainly no expert there).

I think a re-install (first without uninstalling) is the next step, the idea being that this will replace/restore the malfunctioning "thing". (Sorry.)

[Anonymous]

One other thing I can suggest is to try logging in with a new Windows user account and see if that fixes it. Can't hurt to try...user account corruption can cause a lot of weird issues.

[acicci]

well i've tried reinstalling now and can add that to the list of things not working. Guys thanks for the help but I'm starting to think I may just have to take a big "L" on this one

[acicci]

Yep tried that too. The only thing left to reinstall would be windows which uhhh, no thanks haha

[acicci · Accepted solution]

So to everyone who offered me help in this thread - thank you!

Unfortunately the solutions discussed here did not alleviate the problem. Luckily, it turned the solution was much simpler. I've scoured the forums and found a few other people suffering from this exact issue so I'm going to post the solution I discovered below and mark it as the answer (sort of like clapping myself on the back but if someone else finds this helpful, then great).

The issue was in how the cells had been filled. I created this table using the fill grip in the bottom right of some of the table cells (dragging it downward as in Excel to fill the cells below). This was the issue. I simply went back through the table, selecting the cells and manually formatting them. This seems to have fixed the issue for me. To anybody working with attribute blocks in cells do not under any circumstances, use the fill grip!

Cheers you beautiful CAD people